Psa !

[d328pilot]

"Back then, when hiring was booming, why wouldn't the mainline pilot group NOT want quality, experienced, whollyowned pilots moving up?"

The answer: because in their mind, there is no such thing as a quality, experienced WO pilot. It is an oxymoron to them.


(not intended to bash anyone. but after you hear "they are just express" so many times, it really starts to make you mad.)

 

[USAirways1149]

BS

Mike you're full of bovine-fecal-matter.

The fact is that when Letter of Agreement 79 was ratified (interim small-jet agreement) it was approved by over 85% of the pilot group.

85% of the group agreed not only to allow the company to contract another 35 airplanes, but also to establish a bidirectional flowthrough with the wholly-owned regionals.

The MEC asked the company to pay for their expenses as a part of those negotiations. Expenses such as flightpay loss, hotels, etc.

The company refused.

The Pittsburgh Captain Rep at the time (John Davis) led a roll-call vote to terminate negotiations if the company failed to pay these expenses. He didn't want any further RJs regardless of WHO flew them. His answer to ANYTHING the company wanted, for that matter, was to throw a "global list" of several dozen demands back at them.

The flowthrough fell apart due to bad politics. The LINE PILOTS voted to do the right thing.

Before the situation could be corrected the UAL merger was on the front burner and the company would not negotiate at all for RJs - they were busy with other matters.

The kind of GARBAGE that Mike is spewing does nothing more than further divide the pilot groups and frankly I expect more of an ALPA volunteer. Granted I was only there a bit more than 3 years, but I never NEVER heard another crewmember act in a disrespectful manner towards any of our Express brothers.

I will grant you that there were a FEW (a minority) who did not know who the wholly-owneds were or what they flew. That was the exception to the rule and 9 times of 10 were very senior captains who commuted from Montana and barely knew who the president of the US was!

You want to be mad at somebody? Be mad at ALPA. The line pilots at US Airways tried to do the right thing.

 

[328dude]

Cry me a River

 

[blzr]

JBL

What was that stuff you were saying abour MAINLINE ALPA and PSA ALPA?? Are there two different addresses? is Duane Woerthless president of PSA ALPA too?

The Mainline MEC negtiated LOA83 I believe it was.. Without PDT and ALG being involved. They sent it to our MEC's and It was lughed at. Basically, it said you furloughees would get 100% of the seats. What's in it for us? Nothing, so we turned it down. Came to find out that Mainline Mec got Woerthless to sign off on it without our concent. Is that taking advantage? I think so. We pay dues too and also deserve fair representation.

 

[JBL]

You are correct. ALPA is ALPA. In "theory" they are able to negotiate for and represent seperate pilot groups under the same corporate umbrella. Nice theory, right?

Maybe I should have used the terms "PSA pilot group" and "mainline pilot group" instead of tagging them as seperate ALPA's. The fact of the matter is, anytime a major and any of it's "subsidiary" carriers are represented by the same union it's dicey at best. I've heard the term "conflict of interest" more than once regarding this issue. We all have seen it upclose, firsthand and have formed our own opinion about it. I'm guessing most of us have come to the same conclusion.

As to the contents of LOA83 (I don't know which one it was either), I understood it to be confidential when it was being shopped around to the WO's. By that, I mean that there was surely more to it than "...you furloughees would get 100% of the seats. What's in it for us? Nothing..." I guess it's out for all to see now at PSA. PSA signed on, gets RJ's, and half the seats go to the furloughees. Maybe the LOA in place now had earlier versions that were presented to your MEC's and some additional negotiations took place to create the LOA that exists today. I have no idea.

B.

 

[blzr]

Loa 83 has to do with 70 seaters. PDT, ALG, and or PSA would get them on out certificate and all the seats would go to the furloughees.

We'll see how all this turns out.

 

[Piedmont DHC-8]

Attn: all wholly owned pilots!

Instead of complaining about ALPA and this and that about how it wronged you, why not try this.
Put your money where your mouth is.
I just sent my $100 to the lawsuit against ALPA. all you pilots from the wholly owneds we can really use your support. send your money now. here is the link
http://www.pilots4fair.freeservers.com/

 

[belchfire]

All you all will have to pardon the ignorance
of a junkstream (32) driver employed by an
airline that lacks the vision to get anything
bigger....

That said, I have a question about j4j...
how the heck can someone come off
furlough, skip over 45% of the senority
list (assuming about 55% CAs and 45%
FOs) and get into the left seat of a brand
new piece of equipment?

I do think that it is wrong that so much
flying is going to the non-owned carriers
(why use contractors when you own regional
airlines)....?

Lastly, I thank all of you guys and gals. Why?
Because US Airways and US Airways Express
treat commuters well. In this industry, and
this economy with the reduced skeds and
everything, your open jumpseat policy is a
Godsend!!! You have no idea how if feels
to watch your "codeshare" airline push an
airplane back with 50 empty seats and tell you
you didn't get on because there was a check
airman in the jumpseat! Oh yeah, and then say
"you should have bought a pass"
Thank you very much!!!
Good Luck to all...I have a "I Fly the Flag" sticker
on my bag...he!! if I will advertise for AA!