PSA runs off runway during a aborted takeoff at CRW!

[Abernathy]

The FAA and the Regional Airlines b*tch and whine so much about the lack of professionalism among flight crews, but THEY are the ones who hired 19 year olds into critical positions paying $18,000-25,000. What the f**k did they expect?

As far as Roger Cohen and his compatriots, they should be publicly crucified for being responsible for the way things are today. The fact that this didn't end in disaster is pure chance as the EMAS was just recently installed. Until the above problems are solved, regionals will continue to be "consistently inconsistent" in terms of safety.

 

[Data]

My guess is the push will now be towards the company being able to monitor and use CVR against pilots with video cameras not far behind that. Thanks guys!

 

[Jar Jar]

"You will be Good workers, You will work HARD! You will accept your generous pay, and strive to imrpove your quality of work." -FAA

 

[SLUF4]

I agree with you Abernathy, but there's a problem in the fundamentals of the young pilots. I should correct myself-it's not even young pilots-it's a lot of pilots-even old ones..the captain on the Colgan was in his 40's. It's an attitude problem. You can have a 22 year old FO safely if they have a professional attitude toward flying and the huge responsibility it is. The problem is that too many these days don't have that drive and motivation to learn and be professional toward their duties.

 

[Taco Rocket]

I'm not convinced it's an age issue.

We can all relate stories we've heard over the years chronicling decades old mistakes.

For example: "forgetting" to start the 3rd 727 engine until on the takeoff roll.

 

[Jar Jar]

its not an age issue, its an issue of the caliber of person you recruit for the job.

 

[Abernathy]

The problem is that too many these days don't have that drive and motivation to learn and be professional toward their duties.

This is true, but where is the incentive for people who get absolutely no reward, especially monetarily, or otherwise (with the seniority system), for people to make an effort beyond the bare minimum to do their job? There's a reason so many pilots, especially FOs, just "do my job" and absolutely nothing more.

 

[SLUF4]

To me, doing the bare minimum still requires a professional, safe attitude. And I'm all for doing the bare minimum after being kicked in the sack by this company. I'll still fly safely, but I'm not throwing bags etc..for them. I agree with you that we aren't compensated fairly either.

 

[UnstableAviator]

I've heard the Captain was also a check airman and had been with the company for several years. Sounds like a case of complacency and failure to brief things accordingly more than a sterile cockpit breakdown.

By brief, I don't mean the mindless reading of an approach plate; I mean the stuff thats actually different from normal ops (flaps 20 takeoff?) and requires due attention.

Its just ashame that sterile cockpit will be harped on again and we'll all have to suffer the knee-jerk reaction. I've only kept real, flawless sterile cockpit a handful of times.....usually when I'm too tired to bother wasting energy on talking.

 

[DC8Driver]

I've heard the Captain was also a check airman and had been with the company for several years. Sounds like a case of complacency and failure to brief things accordingly more than a sterile cockpit breakdown.

By brief, I don't mean the mindless reading of an approach plate; I mean the stuff thats actually different from normal ops (flaps 20 takeoff?) and requires due attention.

Its just ashame that sterile cockpit will be harped on again and we'll all have to suffer the knee-jerk reaction. I've only kept real, flawless sterile cockpit a handful of times.....usually when I'm too tired to bother wasting energy on talking.

If what you say is true about your sterile cockpit procedures, then I say your not a professional and you need to get out of the cockpit. The company pays you to fly the airplanes how they want you to and to abide by all FAR's. If you don't get all those rules and regulations were written in blood then move on....Please.

 

[UnstableAviator]

I'm saying real, sterile cockpit in the strictest sense of the "law".

A simple comment such as "nice sunrise" is a violation of sterile cockpit. Let he without sin.....

 

[DC8Driver]

I'm saying real, sterile cockpit in the strictest sense of the "law".

A simple comment such as "nice sunrise" is a violation of sterile cockpit. Let he without sin.....

Where do you draw the line? Maybe bitching about the company is ok? Bitching about the wife is ok? Why don't you just do what your paid to do and be a professional? When the parking brake is set, go ahead blab all you want. When your moving, keep it to business. That is what your being paid for. Grow up. Nobody owes you this. Almost anything that gets missed on a checklist is because of sterile cockpit or not following procedures. I bet you do your flows then do the checklist from memory? That's just a little step away from SOP's right?

" I've been here two years, I should be a Captain" is a reason I've heard why a now 2500 hr. F/O gets complacent. Makes me want to puke.

If you can't do the job like your paid to do it.....Go away, you make us all look bad. That goes for coporate, regional or mainline.

"He without sin"? I've sinned plenty and nearly paid big for it. I learned from my mistakes and try to learn from others that make mistakes. I pride myself when flying anything to do it as close to the way the company, manufacturer and the FAA say I'm supposed to. No flight is perfect but I try every single flight. That's what makes me a professional not some hack doing a half assed job......

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Another thought is the possible wisdom of always taking off with flaps 20, ala Comair?

When I switched from the 700 to the 200, I realized that not every takeoff was going to be Flaps 8 (except EYW on 700).

I was even lucky enough to have an instructor give me a Weight & Balance scenario in a debriefing that had me switch runways which resulted in a new Faps 20 setting. Point well taken.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Which regionals have procedures that specify who inputs the data, sets speeds, crosschecks, etc.? It probably wouldn't matter because most folks can't even get normal checklist responses correct. It ain't that hard, RTFM.

 

[Captzaahlie]

maybe the experts are right and we should actually focus more on the job at hand instead of talking on the phone or jibba jabberin to each other during taxi out

That and constantly b1tching about our jobs.....