PSA runs off runway during a aborted takeoff at CRW!

[Volasl]

"according to industry officials familiar with the details."


Mr. Pasztor needs to wait until the final NTSB and/or FAA report is finished. I hate a leak. If you google news the topic, Mr. Pasztor is the only one that has reported this info. While his facts may or may not be correct, ill wait to hear the full report versus what a journalist is told.

 

[cjdriver]

You guys need to be shut down and the majors need to take over your flying. Just saying.....

 

[CFIT]

My guess is the flaps were set to 20 degrees instead of 8 degrees, it was caught during the takeoff roll, and inadvertantly retracted to up or zero degrees. Once the flaps retracted to less than 8 degrees the TO CONFIG OK message was lost and a triple chime master warning and aural message to "Config Flaps" occured, and the abort was attempted.

Who Knows, who cares?

 

[DC8Driver]

You guys need to be shut down and the majors need to take over your flying. Just saying.....

Your operation should shut down and let NetJets take over your flying.....Just saying.......Dumbf^ck.

 

[DC8Driver]

My guess is the flaps were set to 20 degrees instead of 8 degrees, it was caught during the takeoff roll, and inadvertantly retracted to up or zero degrees. Once the flaps retracted to less than 8 degrees the TO CONFIG OK message was lost and a triple chime master warning and aural message to "Config Flaps" occured, and the abort was attempted.

Who Knows, who cares?

your right!!!!.....You don't know.......

 

[paulsalem]

My guess is the flaps were set to 20 degrees instead of 8 degrees, it was caught during the takeoff roll, and inadvertantly retracted to up or zero degrees. Once the flaps retracted to less than 8 degrees the TO CONFIG OK message was lost and a triple chime master warning and aural message to "Config Flaps" occured, and the abort was attempted.

Who Knows, who cares?

If the flaps are not in 8 or in 20 you'll get the warning.

Your operation should shut down and let NetJets take over your flying.....Just saying.......Dumbf^ck.

Hahah, nice!

 

[Flyer1015]

Your heavy. Cold air temps, clean dry runway. Somewhere between 100kts and your 135ish V1, you discover that the flaps are set at 8 rather than 20. What would you do?

If I was closer to 100kts, I would Discontinue Takeoff Immedietely.

No way. Know thy airplane! On our speedcards, from the 43k-53k card (assuming normal full power TO), the difference between V1 from a 8 to a 20 flap takeoff is 10 knots, and the difference between VR (from a flaps 8 to 20) is 9 knots. IF I realized the flaps are set at 8, and the Vspeeds are set for 20, I am CONTINUING! There is no way in hell I'm aborting over this discrepancy at over 100-135 knots on a 6,200' runway! As I said, with our speed cards, I know the difference in V1 speed is 10 knots and Vr is 9 knots. This is about knowing your airplane inside out. I will continue, and takeoff. Why the hell would you highspeed abort a perfectly flying and flyable aircraft?

 

[Flyer1015]

And I agree with people here saying it's too early to tell what happened, even if it's the "people familiar with the events" story. I can only pray that those events aren't true. Because if they are true, this crew will be fried inside out for breaking sterile cockpit resulting in a lack of attention/discipline that resulted in the wrong data/configuration, which then resulted in a high speed abort. After 3407, they will have a zero tolerance for this kind of stuff. So for the sake of the crew involved, I will pray that it isn't true.

 

[ohplease!]

No way. Know thy airplane! On our speedcards, from the 43k-53k card (assuming normal full power TO), the difference between V1 from a 8 to a 20 flap takeoff is 10 knots, and the difference between VR (from a flaps 8 to 20) is 9 knots. IF I realized the flaps are set at 8, and the Vspeeds are set for 20, I am CONTINUING! There is no way in hell I'm aborting over this discrepancy at over 100-135 knots on a 6,200' runway! As I said, with our speed cards, I know the difference in V1 speed is 10 knots and Vr is 9 knots. This is about knowing your airplane inside out. I will continue, and takeoff. Why the hell would you highspeed abort a perfectly flying and flyable aircraft?[/QUOTE]
thats the problem with "pilot mill" crews....no experience thinking outside the box.....everything is fine as long as the situations remain inside the realm of what has been spoon fed to the crew...My question is and has always been; what is going to happen when ******************** goes bad and you have to make a quick decision OUTSIDE THE BOX? I think we know. Not just this situation but, look at incidents over history...those who think and plan and role play situations OUTSIDE the box will be the ones to have a "successful" outcomes when things go bad.

No substitution for EXPERIENCE. None.

 

[buscap]

Hey OHPLEASE,

Like I said, my theory is maybe it was the FO who realized the error and changed the flaps without saying anything. Captain hears the ding ding ding and aborts. Just a monday morning quarterback buttheaded-without all the facts-theory.