PSA 70 Seat Rates and LOA 7

[ChinaClipper]

One Tuff An us.....

is back! And reinforming the rest of us why you are a CAREER regional whiner. PSA is taking REPLACING mainline flying and has been doing it for years! No when its time to get undercut, and NOT BY MUCH if you're refering to Mesa et al. Then the undercutting is unacceptable! Well, well! Another child of new math and time outs! Short on facts.....acting tough....and probably in the midst of an ana l herpes outbreak. You have talked tough there Cinderfella, this ain't no playground. Its a simple question, Wholly-owned guys have said they are gonna do it right, there are countless hours of blowing hard on this board about how you are at the top of the Mainline replacement food chain. Now are you gonna walk the walk? I doubt it. You'll fold. Because its easy to tell others what to do, lets see if the situation will play out as such. Put YOUR job on the line for the benefit of the profession. No OneTuff Anu s threats and whining, no McPicklesucker babble et al. Just lets see if the collapse is near. In the big scheme of things, history don't remember if you were first, last, or in the middle of any great cave in. Just that EVERYONE gave in. PSA is about too, if the tea leaves don't lie. But OneTuffAnu s has the small, but apparently thriving, niche of bending over in public....streatching out his boy pleaser......and telling the world he is straight.......unless he means his back......to put food on the table...Another whining dufus in the Mainline replacement business...... Dufus. BTW the term "balls" refers to intestinal fortitude, not how many you have fondled, chewed etc

 

[crj579]

Listen up MANAGEMENT ( yes, that is you, all of you Mesa bashers)! You will be refered to as MANAGEMENT from now on because of your basic stupidity and continued need to tear apart other ALPA carriers.
Here is a harsh reality -The fact is that you are talking about relatively small differences when it comes to regional contracts. They all basically stink.
How many regionals shrink or go out of business because the Major airline they were affiliated with just took the lowest bidder and even dropped ALPA carriers for non-ALPA carriers.
Leadership at ALPA national says their hands are tied when it comes to the choice of their regionals and how much they are whipsawed , but the truth is they are not willing to give up anything to make a difference.
Leadership must come from ALPA National - the small guys will never be able to get ahead with out the guys at the top taking a proactive role in making a difference. Thats the truth in black and white and until ALPA national starts taking a stand - I appoint myself the ALPA police calling all those who bash other ALPA brothers what they really are - MANAGEMENT out to destroy our union.

 

[skeezer]

LMAO!

Thats good stuff dude.

You really need to lay off the cheap sh*t. Maybe if you MESA guys had a decent contract you could afford to smoke the good stuff instead of huffing $1.99 cans of spray paint from Home Depot.


Peace!

Skeezer

 

[328dude]

Wow, Since Chinaclipper has moved on from the regional's, it's all about the regionals taking away mainline flying.

Why the switch China?

 

[vc10]

So, did PSA LOA 7 pass or what?

And, while we're at it, do the 70-seat rates go up every year on the same date (1 Oct) as the 50-seat rates?

 

[328dude]

No. Was rejected by a large margin.

 

[vc10]

But I thought the CRJ700s are now in operation. If that's the case, what are the rates?

 

[BTDII]

But I thought the CRJ700s are now in operation. If that's the case, what are the rates?

The 700 flights are currently being operated at the 50 seat rates. Once an agreement is reached, the company will have to pay "retro-pay" to those individuals that have flown or are currently flying the 700. Right now the majority of the people flying the 700 are managment pilots conducting IOE, however it may be possible that a few senior line pilots in DAY may be holding lines in it. I haven't looked at the bids for DAY.

 

[Bluestreaker]

is back! And reinforming the rest of us why you are a CAREER regional whiner. PSA is taking REPLACING mainline flying and has been doing it for years! No when its time to get undercut, and NOT BY MUCH if you're refering to Mesa et al. Then the undercutting is unacceptable! Well, well! Another child of new math and time outs! Short on facts.....acting tough....and probably in the midst of an ana l herpes outbreak. You have talked tough there Cinderfella, this ain't no playground. Its a simple question, Wholly-owned guys have said they are gonna do it right, there are countless hours of blowing hard on this board about how you are at the top of the Mainline replacement food chain. Now are you gonna walk the walk? I doubt it. You'll fold. Because its easy to tell others what to do, lets see if the situation will play out as such. Put YOUR job on the line for the benefit of the profession. No OneTuff Anu s threats and whining, no McPicklesucker babble et al. Just lets see if the collapse is near. In the big scheme of things, history don't remember if you were first, last, or in the middle of any great cave in. Just that EVERYONE gave in. PSA is about too, if the tea leaves don't lie. But OneTuffAnu s has the small, but apparently thriving, niche of bending over in public....streatching out his boy pleaser......and telling the world he is straight.......unless he means his back......to put food on the table...Another whining dufus in the Mainline replacement business...... Dufus. BTW the term "balls" refers to intestinal fortitude, not how many you have fondled, chewed etc

Way to call that one "Vagina Clipper" Did you see the results of LOA 7 yet? We didn't fold on that one because it was a peice of sh1t. You can complain all you want about regionals talking the talk, but next time you want to open your trap just remember PSA didn't fold on this one.
Good prediction retard.

 

[ChinaClipper]

But the Wholly owneds.........

put more Mainline USAir pilots outta work than Dave Segal, or so my US Mailine buds say. Anyway you look at it, the wholly-owneds are, and have been for quite a while, UNDERCUTTING and replacing USAir mainline jobs. Ahhh, the good old days! US Mainline bases in ROA, DAY etc, all UNDERCUT by the Wholly-owneds. It is really funny to hear WO types complaing when the undercutting affects THEM, not when they are BENEFITTING from undercutting people with better jobs. Moan all ya want, but youy are Out Mesa-ing you own breathren.Just because its in the familiy hardely makes it any easier to take. BTW WN is kicking your shiney hypocritical a$$es in PHL, a Southwest guys said it best "Our best advertisement is normal USAir customer service" Maybe you should address your business plan.... A, B, or C, what ever your on, and compete??? Nahhh, just easier to whine about why it ain't Sept 10th anymore..... BTW Angry WO-types..please don't PM people ya don't agree with, seems kinda immature......even by the Regionals part of flightinfo standards........

 

[Smoking Man]

The only thing I see in the above post is.


ChinaClipperThis user is on your Ignore List.


Luv that feature.

 

[BTDII]

put more Mainline USAir pilots outta work than Dave Segal, or so my US Mailine buds say. Anyway you look at it, the wholly-owneds are, and have been for quite a while, UNDERCUTTING and replacing USAir mainline jobs. Ahhh, the good old days! US Mainline bases in ROA, DAY etc, all UNDERCUT by the Wholly-owneds. It is really funny to hear WO types complaing when the undercutting affects THEM, not when they are BENEFITTING from undercutting people with better jobs. Moan all ya want, but youy are Out Mesa-ing you own breathren.Just because its in the familiy hardely makes it any easier to take. BTW WN is kicking your shiney hypocritical a$$es in PHL, a Southwest guys said it best "Our best advertisement is normal USAir customer service" Maybe you should address your business plan.... A, B, or C, what ever your on, and compete??? Nahhh, just easier to whine about why it ain't Sept 10th anymore..... BTW Angry WO-types..please don't PM people ya don't agree with, seems kinda immature......even by the Regionals part of flightinfo standards........

China,

Just for the record, Mainline is a Wholly-Owned subsiderary of the US Airways Group, just like PDT, ALG, and PSA. Its all spelled out in black and white in every financial report ever printed, the mainline people just need to accept that fact. With that in mind Groups flying is Groups flying, and I could give a rats a$$ where it goes so long as it stays within the Group.

Now to say that PDT, ALG, and PSA are undercutting the Mainline, how do you figure? Where is my Airbus?, where is my 737? If Express where flying those planes, and for less, then sure, that would be undercutting. But flying those routes with LESS SEATS? I just don't see it.

Do we make less to fly those 50 seaters? Not really, wheres Mainlines pay rates for 50 seaters? No where. What should a 50 seat Capt. be making compaired to a 737 Capt.? Since just about every payscale at ALPA is based on the amount of seats in an aircraft, would it surprise you to know that that most 50 seat Capts. actually make more per hour per seat than some of the 737 Capts? So once again where is the undercutting.

I'll tell ya where, its at the Mainline under the name MidAtlantic, who are flying aircraft under the US Airways Express name using rates that another subisderary of the Group told Mgt. to stick where the sun don't shine.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not even gonna bother.

 

[328dude]

China has always been a bandwagon junkie. Just let him go.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Ignore list? Truth kinda hurts......

Flying a smaller plane where Mainline jets once flew is, even within the "group", is rationalizing a flawed concept. I am sure all the guys who are sitting at home, or in a J4J situation, feel much better that they were sold out from with in. Somehow, I feel that your management could care less about that or all the stupid thing they've done inthe last decade. Undercutting hardly means seat for seat, either. BTW This is also happening at ALL the legacy carriers. If you look at timetables from the early Ninties, you'll see what I mean. So be consistent, a loss of jobs is a loss of jobs. Undercut or not. To be fair, USAir had never really undergone a "rightsizing" after deregulation, a lot of East Coast Mainline flying INCREASED post-PSA, (more flawed management) so fixing it post-9-11 is especially painful. Flying 737's from CLT to GSP or FAY or GSO needed addressing, to be sure, but USAir Mainline guys are feeling that the cuts went too far....and at their expense....and the WO's/contract guys are benefitting. That is a fair statement. Is it a fair to say that they WO's have grown in the last decade?? BTW All this is academic if US fails, a possibility that is unfortunately drawing closer each day. WN is showing US how to do it outta PHL, F9 and AirTran et all, planes are oversold with people "...glad not to be on USAir..." All this with non-Regional type airplanes to places US has flown for years AND making cash. USAir's RJ's or Props can't compete, on service OR price over time, one look at the financials shows that.. So what is the solution? Not this immature bantering here, USAir needs a plan and FAST. The WO's can be a part of answer. I just hope you'll stay in business and that everyone who wants their job can keep it. You may not have to put me on the Ignore list, I don't know if I'll post from Iraq......but I'll ask if the Iraqi Airways pilots have been undercut by Johnny Ornstein yet.....

 

[OneTuffGuy]

VaginaClipper i feel bad for anyone who has to share a flightdeck with you. If i had to fly with you I would take out the crash axe and kill myself so i did not have to listen to you talk. Do everyone a favor and shut up when you where at the regional level you where happy to get more routes and have growth occure. Now that you are all of a sudden on the other side of the fence you think you are better then the rest of us..... I have an idea go **** yourself