PSA 70 Seat Rates and LOA 7

[Lear70]

The rates you guys posted up there are nearly identical to the rates we make at Pinnacle for the 50-seater that were negotiated 5 years ago and is the same as our 44-seat rates we negotiated in September of 2001 (both expired just this month).

We're in negotiations now and are demanding anywhere from a 25% to 35% in actual pay raises, minimum day rigs, high speed rigs, 100% cancellation pay rigs, and 150% to 200% premium pay (for flying on days off). Because we're doubling our fleet size from what it was last year to what it will be next year, we have an excellent bargaining position, and so do you.

PSA is growing like crazy... There's an ad on Planejobs.com for CRJ-200 pilots, and during times like these, when the company NEEDS your approval to do something, you are in A UNIQUE BARGAINING SITUATION!

Please take advantage of it, for your own sakes and the sake of your profession. No one is saying you should hold out for industry leading, but you don't have to be within a few nickels of Mesa either. Best of luck, and God bless.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Time to put up or shut up........

Those payrates require a bit of squinting to distingush Mesa's payrates from PSA's. Throw in the fact you'll be a Captain in about 20 minutes at Mesa and this looks like a step back. Remember all the "Raise the Bar" and "We are all counting on you for the industries sake" BS? Time to put YOURSELF and YOUR JOB on the line, for the "good of the profession" This is what was expected of Mesa and they choked, albiet with an alter ego taking Mesa pilots jobs away DAILY, an all-out shyster attack and an uncertain future, not just threats about the work MAYBE going somewhere else. So folks, remember that its easy to talk about raising the bar when their is no skin off YOUR a$$, hopefully the perspective is a bit diffrerent now. Anyway you go, good luck. Just remember, we are all counting on YOU to do whats right for the profession. It appears that you'll be able to vote without having private investigators hunting you down if you dissent, a feeling I know A LOT about!!!!!!

 

[BTDII]

The rates you guys posted up there are nearly identical to the rates we make at Pinnacle for the 50-seater that were negotiated 5 years ago and is the same as our 44-seat rates we negotiated in September of 2001 (both expired just this month).

We're in negotiations now and are demanding anywhere from a 25% to 35% in actual pay raises, minimum day rigs, high speed rigs, 100% cancellation pay rigs, and 150% to 200% premium pay (for flying on days off). Because we're doubling our fleet size from what it was last year to what it will be next year, we have an excellent bargaining position, and so do you.

PSA is growing like crazy... There's an ad on Planejobs.com for CRJ-200 pilots, and during times like these, when the company NEEDS your approval to do something, you are in A UNIQUE BARGAINING SITUATION!

Please take advantage of it, for your own sakes and the sake of your profession. No one is saying you should hold out for industry leading, but you don't have to be within a few nickels of Mesa either. Best of luck, and God bless.

Lear,

Just wanted to make sure I understood you correctely. In what I originally posted above I have our 50 seat rates that were concessionary prior to Bankruptcy (the only changes to those here are the addition from 2006 to 2008) and then the 70 seat rates follow. Are you saying that these 70 seat rates are the same as your 50 seat rates or are you saying that our 50 seat rates are the same as your 50 seat rates?

I hope you guys get everything you want. Some of what your going for we already have and it is nice to have it.

To everyone else,

Do I like these rates? No, but I dislike the rest of the LOA even more. Do these rates lower the bar? No, but they don't raise it either. They are simply Eagles 2004 rates, nothing more nothing less. I would like to see the FO pay come up more though.

I belive like most of you that now is our chance to fight for whats right. I just hope that I'm not alone. We know how much PSA makes and its about time we get our share.

Unfortunately I think there are way too many here that might not be willing to "rock the boat". But regardless if we get the pay to come up, those other changes in the LOA need to be taken out.

One other thing before I go. Don't forget that with the blended pay, we will be flying the 50 seaters for near 70 seat rates. At least there is one plus.

Take Care

 

[j41driver]

Mesa pay's 1/2 of segment for DH and 100% of non-WX cancellations provided the controllable completion factor meets or exceeds 97.5% for the month.

We get nada for WX CXL's.

That's terrible.

 

[Lear70]

Are you saying that these 70 seat rates are the same as your 50 seat rates or are you saying that our 50 seat rates are the same as your 50 seat rates?

Actually, you're right, I did look at it wrong. Our 50-seat rates are $8.00 per hour higher than yours (approximately) year for year, we don't have a 70-seat rate, but your 70-seat rate is about $3.00 per hour higher than our 50-seat rate.

I hope you guys get everything you want. Some of what your going for we already have and it is nice to have it.

Thanks, with the way our corporate culture is (hostile), we really need some work rules and ironclad contract provisions to protect our basic QOL.

Good luck to you guys too!

 

[SRJ]

I dont think Mesa gets block or better either. How about non-line holders, is the pay still at 65-hours?

 

[Filkster]

YOU HAVE BALLS POSTING THAT PAYSCALE. We at mesa make more than that............

Since when did Mesa pay block or actual?? Hell, when did Mesa start paying block time.

RF

 

[scouts out!]

You Mesa guy's are so full of S&!T I have spoken to many of your guys and I had one guy tell me that mesa was making $8 an hour more than us ay PSA and then would meet a guy that would say we were a couple dollars higher and that hell would have to freeze over for you mesa guys to get CX pay. Last I checked Mesa was not in bankruptcy with in the last few years and last I checked Mesa was not facing liquidation where at US Airways group we have and we are. Our pay rates and our contract as a whole is CONCESSIONARY Mesa's contract is the BEST they have ever had. I saw a mesa pilot post that here 5th year as a Captain on they jet she made $70,000 that year, well on the DO328 as a captain I made $58,000 based of that I would have made $80,000 on the 50 seat and $85,000 on the 70 seat as a 5year captain on a concessionary contract. So don't try to make yourselves feel better by bitching by PSA's TA that's not an industry leading contract, just remember that mesa still is the bottom of the barrel with their best contract and PSA has an average contract with their concessionary contract. Face it you mesa guys work for the worst and the most hated company in the industry. So you need to try to change the mesa image.

 

[jjetpilot]

Pretty horrible rates I must say.......WAIT until you can defenitely distinguish yourselves payrate-wise from MESA. I can see the jokes now...

 

[N8Dogg]

Actually Mesa's min guarantee for line or reserve is 70hrs per month. Where their new contract really lost ground was in the details such as move days, guaranteed days off, etc. QOL stuff. Be sure you look at the whole contract not just the hourly pay. Good luck.

 

[BoilerUP]

A Mesa pilot can correct me if I'm wrong, but...


Mesa has a 70 hour guarantee per bid period...13 bid periods per year.

12 months x 75hr/mo guarantee = 900 hours
13 bids x 70hr/bid guarantee = 910 hours

If you divide 910 by 12 months, you will get the 75.83 hr/mo guarantee as posted earlier.

BOOM! Another Mesa myth busted...

 

[BTDII]

When I first started this thread I had no intention on it turning into a bash festival, so lets try to get back on track with the topic at hand. Now more than ever I think the PSA pilots need real feed back on the ENTIRE LOA not just the pay.

The past is the past, lets try to get over who signed what and for how much and work on the future.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Work on the future means......

somebodies gotta stop you regional guys from become the outsourced AOL-technician-from-India-in-a-cockpit. As long as the planes keep flying, this is gonna be a b itch to do. Someone has to take a bullet for the "profession", who is it gonna be? Mesa was the poster child for why people should strike or at least work-to-rule. No respect, bad contract, scummy management etc. They coulda plugged the hole, but they, as a whole, choked. Darned near everyone else wanted them to put a foot down(and JOB) for what woulda been good for the regional pilots. They were asked to do it alone; No one on this board made a pledge to hire anyone who would have lost his job as a result of any potential work action. This was a MAJOR flaw. No one at ALPA, who shoulda know better, saw to it that the guys who walked the plank would get anything for it. SOMEONE shoulda arranged preferental hiring for the firing that would have happened;How about doing it for PSA guys who may have to walk the plank soon? The biggest thing the military taught me about leadership was to never ask someone to do something you wouldn't do. Will the most vocal anti-Mesa PSA types do what they asked other guys to do??? I hope, but the caliber of the profession will bear itself out when the chips are down and the time for talk is over...Stay tuned and good luck.....

 

[OneTuffGuy]

ChinaClipper your a frickin tool......Who do you think you are? some sort of aviation GOD? You seem to be the kind of guy that got beat up all the time growing up..Personally I would like the kick the crap out of you myself... I do not understand how anyone can even use PSA in the same sentence as MESA? Mesa is a bunch of good for nothing little scared girls..........PSA actually has pilots who stand up for themselves.......The last time they had a contract to vote on they voted it down......PSA is not even close to MESA in any way shape or form......As for this LOA i personally do not se anything in it that brings down industry standards, it only improves upon PSAs current contract......MESA bashing will continue until they all grow a sack of balls.....

 

[BFE]

MESA bashing will continue until they all grow a sack of balls.....

They have to grow the sack first...