PSA 70 Seat Rates and LOA 7

[SRJ]

I dont think Mesa gets block or better either. How about non-line holders, is the pay still at 65-hours?

 

[Filkster]

YOU HAVE BALLS POSTING THAT PAYSCALE. We at mesa make more than that............

Since when did Mesa pay block or actual?? Hell, when did Mesa start paying block time.

RF

 

[scouts out!]

You Mesa guy's are so full of S&!T I have spoken to many of your guys and I had one guy tell me that mesa was making $8 an hour more than us ay PSA and then would meet a guy that would say we were a couple dollars higher and that hell would have to freeze over for you mesa guys to get CX pay. Last I checked Mesa was not in bankruptcy with in the last few years and last I checked Mesa was not facing liquidation where at US Airways group we have and we are. Our pay rates and our contract as a whole is CONCESSIONARY Mesa's contract is the BEST they have ever had. I saw a mesa pilot post that here 5th year as a Captain on they jet she made $70,000 that year, well on the DO328 as a captain I made $58,000 based of that I would have made $80,000 on the 50 seat and $85,000 on the 70 seat as a 5year captain on a concessionary contract. So don't try to make yourselves feel better by bitching by PSA's TA that's not an industry leading contract, just remember that mesa still is the bottom of the barrel with their best contract and PSA has an average contract with their concessionary contract. Face it you mesa guys work for the worst and the most hated company in the industry. So you need to try to change the mesa image.

 

[jjetpilot]

Pretty horrible rates I must say.......WAIT until you can defenitely distinguish yourselves payrate-wise from MESA. I can see the jokes now...

 

[N8Dogg]

Actually Mesa's min guarantee for line or reserve is 70hrs per month. Where their new contract really lost ground was in the details such as move days, guaranteed days off, etc. QOL stuff. Be sure you look at the whole contract not just the hourly pay. Good luck.

 

[BoilerUP]

A Mesa pilot can correct me if I'm wrong, but...


Mesa has a 70 hour guarantee per bid period...13 bid periods per year.

12 months x 75hr/mo guarantee = 900 hours
13 bids x 70hr/bid guarantee = 910 hours

If you divide 910 by 12 months, you will get the 75.83 hr/mo guarantee as posted earlier.

BOOM! Another Mesa myth busted...

 

[BTDII]

When I first started this thread I had no intention on it turning into a bash festival, so lets try to get back on track with the topic at hand. Now more than ever I think the PSA pilots need real feed back on the ENTIRE LOA not just the pay.

The past is the past, lets try to get over who signed what and for how much and work on the future.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Work on the future means......

somebodies gotta stop you regional guys from become the outsourced AOL-technician-from-India-in-a-cockpit. As long as the planes keep flying, this is gonna be a b itch to do. Someone has to take a bullet for the "profession", who is it gonna be? Mesa was the poster child for why people should strike or at least work-to-rule. No respect, bad contract, scummy management etc. They coulda plugged the hole, but they, as a whole, choked. Darned near everyone else wanted them to put a foot down(and JOB) for what woulda been good for the regional pilots. They were asked to do it alone; No one on this board made a pledge to hire anyone who would have lost his job as a result of any potential work action. This was a MAJOR flaw. No one at ALPA, who shoulda know better, saw to it that the guys who walked the plank would get anything for it. SOMEONE shoulda arranged preferental hiring for the firing that would have happened;How about doing it for PSA guys who may have to walk the plank soon? The biggest thing the military taught me about leadership was to never ask someone to do something you wouldn't do. Will the most vocal anti-Mesa PSA types do what they asked other guys to do??? I hope, but the caliber of the profession will bear itself out when the chips are down and the time for talk is over...Stay tuned and good luck.....

 

[OneTuffGuy]

ChinaClipper your a frickin tool......Who do you think you are? some sort of aviation GOD? You seem to be the kind of guy that got beat up all the time growing up..Personally I would like the kick the crap out of you myself... I do not understand how anyone can even use PSA in the same sentence as MESA? Mesa is a bunch of good for nothing little scared girls..........PSA actually has pilots who stand up for themselves.......The last time they had a contract to vote on they voted it down......PSA is not even close to MESA in any way shape or form......As for this LOA i personally do not se anything in it that brings down industry standards, it only improves upon PSAs current contract......MESA bashing will continue until they all grow a sack of balls.....

 

[BFE]

MESA bashing will continue until they all grow a sack of balls.....

They have to grow the sack first...

 

[ChinaClipper]

One Tuff An us.....

is back! And reinforming the rest of us why you are a CAREER regional whiner. PSA is taking REPLACING mainline flying and has been doing it for years! No when its time to get undercut, and NOT BY MUCH if you're refering to Mesa et al. Then the undercutting is unacceptable! Well, well! Another child of new math and time outs! Short on facts.....acting tough....and probably in the midst of an ana l herpes outbreak. You have talked tough there Cinderfella, this ain't no playground. Its a simple question, Wholly-owned guys have said they are gonna do it right, there are countless hours of blowing hard on this board about how you are at the top of the Mainline replacement food chain. Now are you gonna walk the walk? I doubt it. You'll fold. Because its easy to tell others what to do, lets see if the situation will play out as such. Put YOUR job on the line for the benefit of the profession. No OneTuff Anu s threats and whining, no McPicklesucker babble et al. Just lets see if the collapse is near. In the big scheme of things, history don't remember if you were first, last, or in the middle of any great cave in. Just that EVERYONE gave in. PSA is about too, if the tea leaves don't lie. But OneTuffAnu s has the small, but apparently thriving, niche of bending over in public....streatching out his boy pleaser......and telling the world he is straight.......unless he means his back......to put food on the table...Another whining dufus in the Mainline replacement business...... Dufus. BTW the term "balls" refers to intestinal fortitude, not how many you have fondled, chewed etc

 

[crj579]

Listen up MANAGEMENT ( yes, that is you, all of you Mesa bashers)! You will be refered to as MANAGEMENT from now on because of your basic stupidity and continued need to tear apart other ALPA carriers.
Here is a harsh reality -The fact is that you are talking about relatively small differences when it comes to regional contracts. They all basically stink.
How many regionals shrink or go out of business because the Major airline they were affiliated with just took the lowest bidder and even dropped ALPA carriers for non-ALPA carriers.
Leadership at ALPA national says their hands are tied when it comes to the choice of their regionals and how much they are whipsawed , but the truth is they are not willing to give up anything to make a difference.
Leadership must come from ALPA National - the small guys will never be able to get ahead with out the guys at the top taking a proactive role in making a difference. Thats the truth in black and white and until ALPA national starts taking a stand - I appoint myself the ALPA police calling all those who bash other ALPA brothers what they really are - MANAGEMENT out to destroy our union.

 

[skeezer]

LMAO!

Thats good stuff dude.

You really need to lay off the cheap sh*t. Maybe if you MESA guys had a decent contract you could afford to smoke the good stuff instead of huffing $1.99 cans of spray paint from Home Depot.


Peace!

Skeezer

 

[328dude]

Wow, Since Chinaclipper has moved on from the regional's, it's all about the regionals taking away mainline flying.

Why the switch China?

 

[vc10]

So, did PSA LOA 7 pass or what?

And, while we're at it, do the 70-seat rates go up every year on the same date (1 Oct) as the 50-seat rates?

 

[328dude]

No. Was rejected by a large margin.

 

[vc10]

But I thought the CRJ700s are now in operation. If that's the case, what are the rates?

 

[BTDII]

But I thought the CRJ700s are now in operation. If that's the case, what are the rates?

The 700 flights are currently being operated at the 50 seat rates. Once an agreement is reached, the company will have to pay "retro-pay" to those individuals that have flown or are currently flying the 700. Right now the majority of the people flying the 700 are managment pilots conducting IOE, however it may be possible that a few senior line pilots in DAY may be holding lines in it. I haven't looked at the bids for DAY.

 

[Bluestreaker]

is back! And reinforming the rest of us why you are a CAREER regional whiner. PSA is taking REPLACING mainline flying and has been doing it for years! No when its time to get undercut, and NOT BY MUCH if you're refering to Mesa et al. Then the undercutting is unacceptable! Well, well! Another child of new math and time outs! Short on facts.....acting tough....and probably in the midst of an ana l herpes outbreak. You have talked tough there Cinderfella, this ain't no playground. Its a simple question, Wholly-owned guys have said they are gonna do it right, there are countless hours of blowing hard on this board about how you are at the top of the Mainline replacement food chain. Now are you gonna walk the walk? I doubt it. You'll fold. Because its easy to tell others what to do, lets see if the situation will play out as such. Put YOUR job on the line for the benefit of the profession. No OneTuff Anu s threats and whining, no McPicklesucker babble et al. Just lets see if the collapse is near. In the big scheme of things, history don't remember if you were first, last, or in the middle of any great cave in. Just that EVERYONE gave in. PSA is about too, if the tea leaves don't lie. But OneTuffAnu s has the small, but apparently thriving, niche of bending over in public....streatching out his boy pleaser......and telling the world he is straight.......unless he means his back......to put food on the table...Another whining dufus in the Mainline replacement business...... Dufus. BTW the term "balls" refers to intestinal fortitude, not how many you have fondled, chewed etc

Way to call that one "Vagina Clipper" Did you see the results of LOA 7 yet? We didn't fold on that one because it was a peice of sh1t. You can complain all you want about regionals talking the talk, but next time you want to open your trap just remember PSA didn't fold on this one.
Good prediction retard.

 

[ChinaClipper]

But the Wholly owneds.........

put more Mainline USAir pilots outta work than Dave Segal, or so my US Mailine buds say. Anyway you look at it, the wholly-owneds are, and have been for quite a while, UNDERCUTTING and replacing USAir mainline jobs. Ahhh, the good old days! US Mainline bases in ROA, DAY etc, all UNDERCUT by the Wholly-owneds. It is really funny to hear WO types complaing when the undercutting affects THEM, not when they are BENEFITTING from undercutting people with better jobs. Moan all ya want, but youy are Out Mesa-ing you own breathren.Just because its in the familiy hardely makes it any easier to take. BTW WN is kicking your shiney hypocritical a$$es in PHL, a Southwest guys said it best "Our best advertisement is normal USAir customer service" Maybe you should address your business plan.... A, B, or C, what ever your on, and compete??? Nahhh, just easier to whine about why it ain't Sept 10th anymore..... BTW Angry WO-types..please don't PM people ya don't agree with, seems kinda immature......even by the Regionals part of flightinfo standards........