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UndauntedFlyer

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Any thoughts on what type of training a person can provide who has no CFI certificate?

Can a person with no CFI teach an instrument student instrument holds/approaches and teach that person how to use their G1000? Can a non-CFI teach a person spins and/or acro? Can a non-CFI prepare a person for an FAA Commercial Pilot practical test, assuming someone else signs that person off and provides the required trainng? In other words, does a person need to hold a valid CFI certificate in order to provide flight instruction? Does such a person even need to hold any type of valid pilot certificate?

Also, if a flight instructor leaves his CFI certificate at home, can that person still provide instruction but just not sign it off? And even if a CFI has his certificate in his possesion, can flight or ground instruction be provided that is not signed off?

Can a 14-year old provide ground instruction to others on subjects such as how to operate their G-1000?

Your thoughts and comments would be apprecaited.
 
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Anybody can teach anybody anything. I could teach you open heart surgery. I have no medical background and no formal training, but I have stayed at a holiday inn express.
 
Sure, but why would you want to accept "training" from someone who is not a CFI?

It goes without saying that this "training" time by a non-cfi would not count as flight instruction of any type. On the surface, it would be nothing more than one pilot showing another pilot a tip or trick.

On the other hand, if a non-CFI is providing "real" flight instruction, I would imagine that would be a huge liability issue.

What is the motivation for this question?

Can you ride along with an instrument-rated pilot friend and have him show you how to fly approaches or enter holds? Absolutely. This is not "flight instruction", per se, but you are certainly learning something and I am sure your pilot-friend is explaining to you how to do it while it is happening.
 
Aerobatics training is another area that doesn't "require" a CFI, aerobatics needs no rating, no logbook endorsement, no minimum times required by FAA. Liability and insurance may be a different story.
 
If the operative word is "can," then yes, someone without these certificates "can" teach someone all of the above without the pertinent CFI certificate.

One instance might be an indivdual who had all of his CFI certificates freshly revoked. j/k

Seriously though, many with a CFI certificate "can't" teach any of the above. If you're refering to ones ability which the word "can" denotes, then we're looking at an individuals knowledge, skill and ability to convey these elements. There are plenty of pilots who can without an instructor certificate. It's entirely feasible to have a non-CFI teach you how to operate an airplane in it's varying aspects. To legally log and become certified is another story of course.
 
Part 61.213

(a) To be eligible for a ground instructor certificate or rating a person must:

(1) Be at least 18 years of age;

(2) Be able to read, write, speak, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's ground instructor certificate as are necessary;

(3) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, pass a knowledge test on the fundamentals of instructing to include—

(i) The learning process;

(ii) Elements of effective teaching;

(iii) Student evaluation and testing;

(iv) Course development;

(v) Lesson planning; and

(vi) Classroom training techniques.

(4) Pass a knowledge test on the aeronautical knowledge areas in—

(i) For a basic ground instructor rating §§61.97, 61.105, and 61.309;

(ii) For an advanced ground instructor rating §§61.97, 61.105, 61.125, 61.155, and 61.309; and

(iii) For an instrument ground instructor rating, §61.65.

(b) The knowledge test specified in paragraph (a)(3) of this section is not required if the applicant:

(1) Holds a ground instructor certificate or flight instructor certificate issued under this part;

(2) Holds a current teacher's certificate issued by a State, county, city, or municipality that authorizes the person to teach at an educational level of the 7th grade or higher; or

(3) Is employed as a teacher at an accredited college or university.

(a) A person who holds a basic ground instructor rating is authorized to provide—

(1) Ground training in the aeronautical knowledge areas required for the issuance of a sport pilot certificate, recreational pilot certificate, private pilot certificate, or associated ratings under this part;

(2) Ground training required for a sport pilot, recreational pilot, and private pilot flight review; and

(3) A recommendation for a knowledge test required for the issuance of a sport pilot certificate, recreational pilot certificate, or private pilot certificate under this part.

(b) A person who holds an advanced ground instructor rating is authorized to provide:

(1) Ground training in the aeronautical knowledge areas required for the issuance of any certificate or rating under this part;

(2) Ground training required for any flight review; and

(3) A recommendation for a knowledge test required for the issuance of any certificate under this part.

(c) A person who holds an instrument ground instructor rating is authorized to provide:

(1) Ground training in the aeronautical knowledge areas required for the issuance of an instrument rating under this part;

(2) Ground training required for an instrument proficiency check; and

(3) A recommendation for a knowledge test required for the issuance of an instrument rating under this part.

(d) A person who holds a ground instructor certificate is authorized, within the limitations of the ratings on the ground instructor certificate, to endorse the logbook or other training record of a person to whom the holder has provided the training or recommendation specified in paragraphs (a) through (c) of this section.

The holder of a ground instructor certificate may not perform the duties of a ground instructor unless, within the preceding 12 months:

(a) The person has served for at least 3 months as a ground instructor; or

(b) The person has received an endorsement from an authorized ground or flight instructor certifying that the person has demonstrated safisfactory proficiency in the subject areas prescribed in §61.213 (a)(3) and (a)(4), as applicable.


Part 61
 
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14CFR61.189(a) says, “A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom that instructor has given flight training or ground training.”

So if you're not a CFI and you go out and help someone learn to use their G1000 by providing 2-hours of ground training over lunch and then provide 2-hours of flight training on how to use that unit, it seems that a non CFI doesn’t need to sign anything but a CFI must sign-off the training as a log entry in the pilot’s log book or training record?


So if you have no CFI certificate and you provide training that doesn’t have to be logged; whereas, if you are the holder of a valid CFI certificate you must log that time it seems?

And what if you are a CFI and you provide that type of training but you forget your CFI certificate and leave it at home. Does that change anything?
 
If you provide training and don't have a CFI it can't be logged. If you provide training and have a CFI it doesn't have to be logged, but why would someone pay for training that couldn't be logged.
 
If you provide training and don't have a CFI it can't be logged. If you provide training and have a CFI it doesn't have to be logged, but why would someone pay for training that couldn't be logged.

It seems to me there is a "Catch 22" here. You say,

If you provide training and have a CFI it doesn't have to be logged

But doesn't the FAR say any training provided by a CFI must me logged?

14CFR61.189(a) says, “A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom that instructor has given flight training or ground training.”
 
UF,

You're a DPE, aren't you? Why the questions.

The CFI I would imagine is at liberty to sign the logbook stating instruction received in your scenario. Althoguh pilots teach other pilots things all the time without any evidence of it in a logbook. Pilots can just the same purchase a G1000 CD-ROM and learn the operation of it on their home PC.
 

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