Preferred Routing in the Northeast

[Timebuilder]

(Both eyes open now, 10:44 AM)

Thanks. I'll probobly be flying here for a looooong time, since I'm planning on a junior base for NetJets, probably TEB.

 

[JetPilot500]

For flight planning I use this website:

www.fltplan.com

Works great! It takes a little time for setup, but it is outstanding once you are done. When you put in a departure and destination, it will usually give you some preferred routes between those cities or nearby cities. Those routes are ones that are submitted by pilots. The database of routes gets bigger everyday. If you know some routes that aren't in there, send them an email, and they will put that route in there within a few hours usually. I highly recommend this site. And, by the way, this site will file for you too.


Enjoy,
JetPilot500

 

[flywithruss]

Complicate it some more!

I average five re-routes per trip in and out of the NY area. I always write down whatever the final routing was I got and that is what I file the next time ... and I never get it!

One thing to consider is altitudes. Coming out of TEB headed down to NC, depending on the altitude (and airspeed, and aircraft type, etc.), I have been routed over WAVEY, WHITE, LANNA, and ELIOT. If you don't like a routing you get in the Northeast, ask the controller about a different altitude and you might get a slightly less unfavorable route.

Several prior suggestions are very good ... call the ARTCC, they will give you non-published preferred routings (of which there are many). Jump on to a published preferred route that is going your way. Use the DPs and STARs whenever possible. Carry extra pens with you to copy those reroutes. Depending on the GPS or FMS system your aircraft uses, it may be advantageous to save multiple routes between two points (e.g. IADTEB01, IADTEB02, etc.). Then, once you get a decent collection, it could be easier to just do a wholesale flight plan swap than to keep keying in a long list of airways and fixes in busy airspace. At my company, we keep routes in a Rolodex .... if I'm going to TEB, I pull that Rolodex card ... it has three or four routes to TEB on one side, and three or four out of TEB home on the other, and we'll make a note of rules (i.e. "below 230") so that we're less likely to get an airborne re-route.

Most importantly, do it a few times. Eventually, you'll get used to the way things happen up there and it'll actually become fun! I love going in to NY ... I always know I'll get a good mental workout!

Tailwinds, y'all ...

R

 

[tarp]

Hey Bart,

You're not out of the NE. Do you know about the basic "flow control" plan for the NE corridor. I usually like to think of a picket fence that has posts in DCA, PHL, LGA, and BOS. Any thing going basically NE bound is going to go up the east side of the fence, anything SW bound is going to be put on the west side of the fence. There are holes like WOOLY, BELAY, ARD and HFD where you can cross the fence (yes, there are more - but those are easy targets) and they allow you to get to your smaller airports.

It's kind of strange - I could be in Westminster (DMW) and want to get to Wilmington, DE (ILG). There's an airway right there that goes from EMI to DQO, but 60% of the time I'll get EMI Dir BAL V214 DQO. The return trip will be straight down V166 to EMI. Just the "big thinkers" and flow control out of the puzzle palace in Leesburg (Washington ARTCC).

T

 

[tarp]

Grits.

Also you asked about grits - sorry not a single place north of Richmond that I know of. However, you can get some tasty breakfasts.

Three of my favorites for breakfast are:

1.) Sunday Brunch at Jimmy's Blue Angels in Latrobe, PA
2.) Breakfast anytime at Easton, MD (ESN)
3.) Breakfasts at Ocean City, NJ

Other wholesome restaurants:

- Frederick, MD (FDK)
- Easton, MD (ESN) but it closes at 1430 daily
- Gaithersburg, MD (GAI)
- Lancaster, PA (LNS)
- Reading, PA (RDG)
- Coattesville, PA (Chester Co.)

Extravagant Dinners:

-Nick's Airport Inn, Hagerstown, MD (HGR)
-Aero Squadron Restaurants, Wilmington, DE (ILG)
(note there are sites at College Park, MD and NE Philly
but Wilmington is easier to get in and out)
-Flying W, Lumberton, NJ
-Allentown, PA (ABE) ask them to take you down to the Steak Place - can't remember the name -Humphrey's, Henry's, somthing.

But please remember that you have ventured north of the Mason-Dixon line - do not ask for grits, do not try the biscuits and don't trust anybody's barbeque unless you go all the way to Syracuse and Rochester, NY and try Dinosaur Barbeque.

Now you can get great chicken dishes at Easton and Salisbury, MD. You can get great crab cakes by landing in the grass at Queenstown Airport and walking to the marina or going to Ocean City, MD and asking them how to get to the Captain's Table Restaurant. You'd think all I did was eat when I fly places!

 

[Timebuilder]

For seafood, land at the Bay Bridge aiport and walk over to Hemingway's. Or, take a cab. It's a long walk.

Wilkes-Barre (AVP) Damon's, for great ribs. About 1/4 mile down the road, near the hotel.

 

[Frac Daddy]

Timebuilder,

What did you mean by you were planning on a "junior base" at NetJets? I thought you just got to pick one of their gateways and that was it.

 

[bart]

Timebuilder:

You must have read Flannery O'Connor's short story "The Displaced Person" (DP). Funny, she is from my ancestral home, Milledgeville, GA....

 

[Cardinal]

The Alpine Tower is probably what was on the tip of Timebuilder's tongue. Looks like a big red T.

 

[Timebuilder]

What do I mean by junior base? I expect that when I become a new hire, the better bases will have all of the pilots they need, and the less desirable places will be where I end up. If that isn't the case, or if I just get to pick a spot as I like, that's all the better. I have another year or so to make the mins.

Alpine tower, that's the one. The first time a contoller mentioned it, I was stumped. Now, I look back and laugh.

DP's. I went to VFMA, and we had a whole crew of older men who had come over after WWII, as displaced persons. Basically, they were our janitors, and often spent the weekend getting drunk. We called them "Dees" for short.