Post-mediation NetJets thoughts

[netjetwife]

Let's not forget the Masters from ER; he needed that to teach at the Academy. He may have complained about the staff assignment going into it, but he enjoyed the management experience he gained being in charge of all rated assignments for USAFE. His resume speaks for itself. We're not worried. That said, we care very much for all of the NJ families and realize that others may not have the safety net that we do. He's as dedicated to this fight as he was to his other assignments.

 

[Busflyer]

Schedule

What is the schedule like at NJ(just curious since everyone is complaining) And yes, I am to lazy to run a search

 

[slowto250]

Those of you fighting the good fight will win this battle. You have faced adversity, and maintained your professionalism all the while. Years from now you will look back on these days of uncertainty, and smile, knowing that you succeeded in demanding fair treatment from a greedy management.

For obvious financial reasons, they are prolonging the inevitable.
They will blink first.

 

[netjetwife]

Currently the pilots bid for 3 different schedules: 17 day, 7&7, and the Flex. That is not the problem. Too many 14/10 s are generating the complaints.

 

[gunfyter]

Our schedules and work rules are generally better than our two largest competitors according to the pilots from those companies I have talked to and how they explained things.

The higher pay they receive is nice but not enough more for me to want to trade places. Several folks have come over to us from there and it can only be for the schedule and workrules because they took a paycut moving over.

 

[Busflyer]

Thanks, 7&7 isn't bad if that includes the commute to and from 14&10 sounds like it sucks though!! Good luck to you all, I'm looking at the Frac's but NJ's seems a little crazy at the moment.

 

[netjetwife]

Slowto250, I agree with you. Management is greedy but not stupid. Naturally, they were going to underpay the pilots as long as they put up with it. The bullying won't stop until you stand up for yourself! GO SU!

 

[gunfyter]

7/7 does not include commute. 14/10 is not so bad because with 91K prospective rest you know when the rest period will end and can plan accordingly. Plus you do not get that every day. I average 12 hours of duty at most. If you are tired you can just say so and get shutdown, so its your own fault if you get too many 14/10's.

 

[netjetwife]

What is the schedule like at NJ(just curious since everyone is complaining) And yes, I am to lazy to run a search

I made the mistake of assuming that Busflyer had heard complaints about scheduling. Perhaps he's just trying to understand the general problem. Mostly the pay, (rather lack thereof) but other issues that speak directly to QOL as well.

 

[Jolimon]

clearly you have not done your research on the teamsters. You could have done much better and gotten much more. Just last year they were indicted for stealing from the pension plan funds in Boston. Not exactly who I would want to be associated with. You made your own bed good luck.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Jolly Roger,

How many CEOs and management officers were investigated by SEC and or Eliot Spitzer?

Can you say Ken Lay Martha Stewart Hank Greenberg WorldCom Global Crossing?

It must have been some funny accounting that allowed the company to say there was no money for raises while posting record profits.

Go TEAMSTERS and STMFD!

 

[Jolimon]

Spoken just like the union rep you are.

 

[Jolimon]

You argue that there have been public companies that have lied and cheated. I agree but it does not make it Ok for the Teamsters to steal pension money from their members as they have clearly done. They are not the lesser of two evils there must be a better way.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Separation of Powers. Its the American way. Without a Union you have no power... Just a dictatorship of management. We have our own local. WE call the shots.

 

[Jolimon]

it doesn't seem to be working out that well for you. Example the non union shops pay better and are more responsive. It is alarming that you are so accepting of a trully criminal group.

 

[El Chupacabra]

There you go , blaming the victim. Union workers have been victimized by abusive managements and criminals.

What non union shops are paid better? Only CS is paid better. The other Fictional Ownership companies have work rules and schedules that are not worth the extra pay.

Additionally by far the highest paid Fractional Pilots with the best work rules are TEAMSTERS flying the BBJ.

 

[Jolimon]

There you go , blaming the victim. Union workers have been victimized by abusive managements and criminals.

What non union shops are paid better? Only CS is paid better. The other Fictional Ownership companies have work rules and schedules that are not worth the extra pay.

Additionally by far the highest paid Fractional Pilots with the best work rules are TEAMSTERS flying the BBJ.

Do you actually believe this stuff? We know you are a union rep because your facts are always wrong. Keep misleading your members eventually they will figure it out and they will create their own voice.

 

[netjetwife]

it doesn't seem to be working out that well for you. Example the non union shops pay better and are more responsive. It is alarming that you are so accepting of a trully criminal group.

Any open-minded, fair person would recognize that the NJ pilots are moving in a new direction--their own local--under new leadership--StrongUnion, an organization made up of hundreds of dedicated volunteers. The SU/MEC has only been in office 4 months but has already produced tangible results. As the new local is still getting up and running, it does not yet have a record to be judged on. NJ pilots will soon be in charge of their OWN destinies for the first time. Fairness demands that this group is held accountable for THEIR actions alone.

 

[Starman]

Why are you wasting time arguing with this moron jolimon. He's obviously as dumb as a fence post and he's not a netjets pilot. Who cares what his opnion is? It's sort of like wrestling with a pig in mud. It accomplishes nothing and the pig enjoys it.

 

[netjetwife]

It's not about the PIG in the mud, but the farmers that might have stopped by to watch....or read, in our case. It's possible to use another's post to get your own message out there. Works for me. In fact, you will rarely ever see me start a thread/conversation.