Possible DL hiring in 2014?

[Explosive]

21.C.7.B.1

A furloughed pilot may only return to duty in conjunction with a subsequent recall OR new hire class.

I.e., The company can recall pilots, but they may not return unless the company initiates the process. There is no requirement for even one new hire.

 

[248to2.8]

Compass can only flow 25% of its seniority list every calender year. Right now that would be around 110 or so. But Compass also has the right to hold back the pilots with flow back for 90 days. Rumor is DAL will just send out their flow letters 90 days early this time since last time we flowed it screwed up their training plans. Guess we'll see.

 

[sniper]

Compass can only flow 25% of its seniority list every calender year. Right now that would be around 110 or so. But Compass also has the right to hold back the pilots with flow back for 90 days. Rumor is DAL will just send out their flow letters 90 days early this time since last time we flowed it screwed up their training plans. Guess we'll see.

25 percent of its captains annually and that is 50 Per year or around that I thought
They have 200 captains total

Correct?

 

[xjhawk]

no, he said 25% of the seniority list. There was no mention of it only being captains

 

[SplitBar]

no, he said 25% of the seniority list. There was no mention of it only being captains

Don't you have to be a Capt to flow? I thought the requirement was a min of 30somethings months of service and must be a Captain? Can't recall for sure.

 

[DYLIN]

Don't you have to be a Capt to flow? I thought the requirement was a min of 30somethings months of service and must be a Captain? Can't recall for sure.

It doesn't really matter because all of the flow eligible pilots can hold captain.

But yes, you are correct.

And to someone typing something above about 25%, it's of the total seniority list, not total captains. So 25% of ~450.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

21.C.7.B.1

A furloughed pilot may only return to duty in conjunction with a subsequent recall OR new hire class.

I.e., The company can recall pilots, but they may not return unless the company initiates the process. There is no requirement for even one new hire.

Furlough and Furlough Bypass are different are they not? No one is on furlough that has not been offered recall. All are on furlough bypass.

Ref PWA 21 C.7
A pilot who has bypassed recall will be subject to the following:
a. he will be ineligible to receive furlough pay,
b. he may only return to duty:
1) in conjunction with a subsequent recall or new hire class, and
2) if he has notified the Company in writing of his desire to accept recall at least 30
days in advance of the class date on which he wishes to return.
Note one: The Company is not required to recall pilots in numbers greater than it deems necessary in a new-hire or recall class.
Note two: If there are more pilots who have bypassed recall that seek to return to duty than the Company has determined is required, such pilots will be returned to duty, in seniority order and prior to any new hire, in conjunction with Company scheduled new hire or recall classes,
and
c. his employment will be terminated if he does not return to duty within ten years from his date of furlough.

We have not pilots on furlough so we will not have "recall" classes, only new hire classes.

 

[Monster Buck]

It doesn't really matter because all of the flow eligible pilots can hold captain.

But yes, you are correct.

And to someone typing something above about 25%, it's of the total seniority list, not total captains. So 25% of ~450.

Maybe a compass pilot knows this for sure but wasn't there a requirement to be a captain for 12 months at compass first in the original agreement with NWA? Is it still in effect now?

 

[248to2.8]

Maybe a compass pilot knows this for sure but wasn't there a requirement to be a captain for 12 months at compass first in the original agreement with NWA? Is it still in effect now?

It said you had to have been with the company for 2 years or 18 months (I can't remember now), and be a Captain to be eligible to flow.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Maybe a compass pilot knows this for sure but wasn't there a requirement to be a captain for 12 months at compass first in the original agreement with NWA? Is it still in effect now?

If it was they'd still flow 100-110.

 

[Explosive]

Furlough and Furlough Bypass are different are they not? No one is on furlough that has not been offered recall. All are on furlough bypass.

Ref PWA 21 C.7
A pilot who has bypassed recall will be subject to the following:
a. he will be ineligible to receive furlough pay,
b. he may only return to duty:
1) in conjunction with a subsequent recall or new hire class, and
2) if he has notified the Company in writing of his desire to accept recall at least 30
days in advance of the class date on which he wishes to return.
Note one: The Company is not required to recall pilots in numbers greater than it deems necessary in a new-hire or recall class.
Note two: If there are more pilots who have bypassed recall that seek to return to duty than the Company has determined is required, such pilots will be returned to duty, in seniority order and prior to any new hire, in conjunction with Company scheduled new hire or recall classes,
and
c. his employment will be terminated if he does not return to duty within ten years from his date of furlough.

We have not pilots on furlough so we will not have "recall" classes, only new hire classes.

There were recall classes in 2010 that preceded new hire classes. Recalls have a different training footprint if I'm not mistaken, so it would be in the company's best interest not to mix them. For example, if 50 of the 203 furloughed pilots indicate they wish to return, they would be put into one or more recall classes, and would precede new hire classes, like in 2010.

As far as I'm aware, there is no such thing as a "furlough bypass pilot". We have 203 pilots on furlough who have chosen to bypass all of their recall opportunities to date.

The ALPA board has a good thread on this. It sounds like we may have recall classes in late 2013, and new hire classes in early 2014. Of course, a furloughed pilot could return in 2014 in conjunction with new hire classes too.

The late summer AE-surplus bid might have more vacancies than pilots to fill them, it might make sense to offer recall to fill the void ahead of the new hire classes next year.

 

[Monster Buck]

We had furlough returns in my new hire class, the only difference i noticed is that they showed up two days later than new hires in the two week class and they didn't go to the new hire dinner.

 

[Flybywire44]

From the Council 1 meeting this month:

"Hiring: We anticipate a nominal amount of hiring in 2014; currently estimating 60 per month January-June, then 20 per month."



So, if the above is true (?), there would be 360 newhires from Jan-Jun, and then 120 from JUL-DEC, for a possible total of 480 in 2014. Some may ask why not start sooner? I think the training dept will be slammed with outgoing DC9 pilots transitioning to other planes, initial 717 crews will be trained, and many people in between are moving from plane to plane. So, IMO, the sims will be full this year. Throw in a possible used widebodies coming (rumor) which will cause more internal training, and things will be busy for awhile. Then throw in tons of retirements over the next 3-5 years.



Bye Bye---General Lee

I heard no hiring at DAL until Fall of 2014.

 

[lakemead1]

I heard no hiring at DAL until Fall of 2014.

Heard from who?

 

[i fly boxes]

Heard from who?

Its because they have to hire all 2300 pinnacle pilots between now and the end of 2014

 

[Flyer1015]

Its because they have to hire all 2300 pinnacle pilots between now and the end of 2014

They'll say whatever it takes to keep Pinnacle pilots from bailing left n right like they are so far.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Its because they have to hire all 2300 pinnacle pilots between now and the end of 2014

I think we are below 2300 bud

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Its because they have to hire all 2300 pinnacle pilots between now and the end of 2014

Well quit yer bittchin and get an app into Pinnacle then.....


......thought so!

 

[nwaf16dude]

Its because they have to hire all 2300 pinnacle pilots between now and the end of 2014

We don't have any requirement to hire pinnacle pilots. They have only been promised interviews, not jobs.

 

[jynxyjericho]

We don't have any requirement to hire pinnacle pilots. They have only been promised interviews, not jobs.

... Yikes. You haven't read the thing yourself obviously, have you. You would be correct if you said we are not all being promised jobs, but we are promised interviews and a number of Pinnacle pilots have to be in each class.

Look I'm not saying that a lawyer couldn't find a way out of the SSP (or whatever the hell we are calling it) but you're either silly or ignorant to the agreement if you believe the quoted txt.