POLAR vs. ATLAS

[B747-300]

cfire:

Thanks for posting the letter. The letter makes it clear that the ball is back in the Polar MEC's court. We can only hope they'll do the right thing, just this once.

 

[cfire]

Flying Polar routes:

Yes, Atlas does some Polar routes. That falls under the "Alliance Agreement" in both contracts. Polar grieved it and a lost it badly in arbitration. Previously addressed in the above attached VARS. So much so, that during the Polar strike, the judge said we had to fly Polar cargo if Atlas chose to do so.

Another little fact, Polar operates a number of South American flights that are Atlas routes. I believe those have now have been sold to Polar or just wet leased to them. I'll have to check up on it.

Due to Polar screwing up the Alliance grievance despite ALPA advise not to continue it, the management at Atlas may be able to use Atlas wet leasing and then furlough at Polar.

Of course Polar didn't have any heart problem accepting four of our Atlas aircraft and watch us furlough while they hired (not from us BTW) off the street. Not one Atlas guy I am aware of was hired at Polar while we furloughed during our contract negotiations. That was addressed in the earlier posted vars message.

 

[weasel_lips]

Flying Polar routes:

Yes, Atlas does some Polar routes. That falls under the "Alliance Agreement" in both contracts. Polar grieved it and a lost it badly in arbitration. Previously addressed in the above attached VARS. So much so, that during the Polar strike, the judge said we had to fly Polar cargo if Atlas chose to do so.

Another little fact, Polar operates a number of South American flights that are Atlas routes. I believe those have now have been sold to Polar or just wet leased to them. I'll have to check up on it.

Due to Polar screwing up the Alliance grievance despite ALPA advise not to continue it, the management at Atlas may be able to use Atlas wet leasing and then furlough at Polar.

Of course Polar didn't have any heart problem accepting four of our Atlas aircraft and watch us furlough while they hired (not from us BTW) off the street. Not one Atlas guy I am aware of was hired at Polar while we furloughed during our contract negotiations. That was addressed in the earlier posted vars message.

Thanks for answering.

From what you stated above it sounds like Atlas did some flying of Polar freight during the strike. Is that correct?

WL

 

[Classicdriver]

Thanks for answering.

From what you stated above it sounds like Atlas did some flying of Polar freight during the strike. Is that correct?

WL

Nope, don't go there. Atlas flies Polar freight under Polar call signs. Just like we fly Emirates freight under their call sign. There were no Polar flights or call signs after the strike started. All Polar planes were grounded. Polar was successful in shutting down the airline, day one....and no one cared.

Thats what pissed them off. Their MEC had promised that within seven days, Atlas World Wide Holdings would be shut down...didn't happen. They then panicked, and decided to attack Atlas. No one else, just Atlas. All sorts of airlines were flying what may have been their freight, but they wanted to hurt just Atlas.

Atlas crews were checking the manifests for Polar airline number. I know what the number is, because I was looking for it.....DO YOU??? Polar Cargo Offices around the world closed down, excepting no freight...period.

Now, where that freight went after the offices closed down, no one knows. Just like when a passenger airline goes on strike, the passengers head in all directions. I'm sure some of it ended up on NW out of Narita, and FedEx out of China. If the freight forwarders don't bring it to Polar to ship....it never was Polar cargo. But no Polar folks were messing with NW or FedEx or UPS. Just Atlas.

UPS stays at the same hotel in ANC, crossed the picket line in downtown ANC. No kicking of their vans. Ask one of them what your airline number is. I'm positive they don't know, because they didn't care. No one cared, except Atlas guys. But then Polar had to have someone to blame for the lack of response from AAWH, so they chose to take it out on Atlas, the closest thing they had to friends in this battle.

 

[weasel_lips]

Nope, don't go there. Atlas flies Polar frieght under Polar call signs. Just like we fly Emirates freight under their call sign. There were no Polar flights or call signs after the strike started. Atlas crews were checking the manafests for Polar airline number. I know what the number is, because I was looking for it.....DO YOU??? Polar Cargo Offices around the world closed down, excepting no freight...period.

I did not intend to "go there"..... I was asking for more information based upon what you said above.

I am interested in what is going on because I hope to interview with Polar or Atlas this spring when hiring resumes.

Thank You.

 

[Classicdriver]

I did not intend to "go there"..... I was asking for more information based upon what you said above.

I am interested in what is going on because I hope to interview with Polar or Atlas this spring when hiring resumes.

Thank You.

Then, sorry about that. But it sounded like you were in the process of going somewhere with it.

How does the fact that we were flying their cargo before the strike have anything to do with after the strike started??

BTW, either airline is a good choice. I'm biased, but both have good people.

 

[heilhaavir]

Cfire,
Good info thks. Didn't see your name "CCd" on the letter though. How did you get a hold of it?

 

[furloughfodder]

cfire (or should I call you Tom),

I clicked the link but all I got was a strange website with an unusual picture of a lady... she seemed to be quite uncomfortable.

Are you sure this is the correct link?

http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.cpt747/

 

[cfire]

Thanks for answering.

From what you stated above it sounds like Atlas did some flying of Polar freight during the strike. Is that correct?

WL

No, Atlas didn't fly Polar routes or cargo. I was just pointing out that the Temporary Restraining Order (renewed and expanded 3 times) stopped all of our simpathy action for Polar.

ALPA national lawyers also said that the TRO would also force us to fly Polar Routes and Cargo due to the "Aliance Agreement" section of Polar and Atlas respective contracts if the company wanted us to. The company chose not to do that however.

The judge however did uphold our right to not cross a legal picket line. What was a legal picket line in reality vs what the Polar group thought was a legal picket line definitely were not the same. The ANC Airport Authority thought the same way since they booted the Polar picketing guys off the airport at one point.

Here is the first TRO IN PDF FORMAT

furloughfodder cfire (or should I call you Tom),

I clicked the link but all I got was a strange website with an unusual picture of a lady... she seemed to be quite uncomfortable.

Are you sure this is the correct link?

Yes, My name is Tom. I think you already knew that though. Yes that is the index page to one of my test sites. Note to moderator, I did not publish it here. I only published direct links to text documents.

I make a lot of money, more than I do flying for Atlas as a captain doing clustered HPC and web sites. Did you want her number or something?

 

[furloughfodder]

Tom,

Well good then. You know me, I know you. It's too bad we didn't meet under different circumstances. With your knowledge of Linux and Clusters, and mine of Unix and Solaris, we could form a pretty good team.

Maybe we will be able to put all this BS behind us and 'just get along'. But until then, here we are.

ff

 

[rtmcfi]

Well, it looks like Mgmt tactics are working..........

If you guys can't all get over the past, and work together you are all sunk.

 

[cfire]

Well, it looks like Mgmt tactics are working..........

If you guys can't all get over the past, and work together you are all sunk.

Your right. Management did their job well.

 

[cfire]

Well, it looks like Mgmt tactics are working..........

If you guys can't all get over the past, and work together you are all sunk.

Your right. Management did their job well.

Atlas ALPA had extended the hand of help and reconciliation a number of times, despite a long list of broken agreements by Polar. Each time our hand came back missing more fingers. When do you say enough is enough?

Continual reports of Polar abuses to Atlas crews mostly from the cities of Shanghai and Seoul where both crew forces are housed in the same hotel just reinforces it. The general attitude from Atlas crews is "lets hope Atlas management doesn't screw up the pending sale of Polar." Let them be someone elses headache.

Judging from the last Atlas VARS (Click Here for the MP3 Audio )we will be attempting yet another reconciliation. Very suprising considering how Bobb Henderson conducted himself and talked about us at the Executive Board meeting. I wonder how many more missing fingers/broken promises will happen this time.

I have a copy of the Polar VARS, but I don't have the permission to post it. Doesn't seem very descriptive of what really happened at the Executive Board.

 

[B747-300]

What really strikes me is the Polar MEC's total disconnect with reality. They have the audacity to speak of unity and a common enemy at the same time they file charges against 1/3 of Atlas crewmembers. And then they wonder why Atlas pilots are angry and the Atlas MEC responds harshly. Duh!​

The Polar MEC has no support at ALPA National. Maybe one day soon the Polar membership-at-large will wake-up and demand the truth from their "leadership".

"First they cry, and then they lie"

 

[furloughfodder]

Looks like World might Strike! Fools!

Well, it looks like World Airways pilots rejected the company's final contract offer.

"The company is very disappointed that a fair and equitable agreement could not be reached," said Charlie McDonald, chief operating officer. "We believe we had a very attractive offer on the table, including annual wage increases, continued profit sharing, a signing bonus, benefits improvements, work-rule improvements and a job security proposal."

It looks like you guys now have another pilot group to attack! The gall of those World Airways pilots! Going on STRIKE!?! They should be ashamed of themselves! You Atlas pilots need to set them straight!!!

Now go over to their thread and tell them how stupid they are for striking! Why didn't they just take the company's final offer?