Polar pilots - would you take me on the Jumpseat?

longhaul

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Hi guys, just a question: I am a US citizen who flys for a major European flag carrier. I commute from ORD to AMS, usually on my own airline but it would be really convenient to go on Polar from time to time, especially on the way back. Our pilots are not in CASS, and we cannot reciprocate at this time, although we have now become one of the first Euro carriers to have a jumpseat program for our own pilots, so maybe someday.... I have an FAA ATP and I have read here that you need to apply for the jumpseat 2 days in advance. Considering that I do not work for a US carrier and that we cannot reciprocate, what are my chances? Thanks.
 

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Hey Longhaul,
I don't work for Polar, but try to get they're jumpseat coordinator's number and talk to him or her.
Good luck
 

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Try also Gemini they have a flexible jump seat policy and you will find all the info in the company web-site. They were used to have a published schedule on-line too.
http://www.gac-cargo.com/.

By the way for who do you work in Europe? I am about to make the jump...:rolleyes:
 
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Unfortunately, the jumpseat access policy is now in the hands of TSA and the Co. Current policy requires that YOU fly for a DOMESTIC carrier currently approved under the CASS program. This issue has come up with some of our furloughed pilots flying for foreign carriers, and the responce from TSA and the company, has been as stated above. Good luck...
 

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I didnt see anything about CASS on the website. Just said FAA 121 and 135 carriers. Do you need to be in CASS as well to catch a ride?
 

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I didnt see anything about CASS on the website. Just said FAA 121 and 135 carriers. Do you need to be in CASS as well to catch a ride?
Pretty sure you do - no cockpit doors on a freighter so it's the same as being on the flight deck of a pax carrier.
 

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Try also Gemini they have a flexible jump seat policy and you will find all the info in the company web-site. They were used to have a published schedule on-line too.
http://www.gac-cargo.com/.

By the way for who do you work in Europe? I am about to make the jump...:rolleyes:
considering he said major european carrier and jumpseating to AMS I am putting my money on KLM
 

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Pretty sure you do - no cockpit doors on a freighter so it's the same as being on the flight deck of a pax carrier.
Well actually CASS has absolutly nothing to do with international flights strangely enough. Atlas/Polar can take Fedex/UPS and most other FAR121/135 pilots form europe to the US but Fedex/UPS cannot take an Atlas/Polar pilot on the same route! Atlas/Polar can accomodate a groom or courier if they have the required approvals without a secure cocpit door! CASS only applies to US domestic sectors. Threre are inconsistencies however.
 

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Thanks everybody for the advice and the link to their website; if I want to try in the future I'll give their ops a call and see what they say. Big Al is right, I work for KLM.
 

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Longhaul – a silly question to you…

Now that KLM is owned by AirFrance (I think?) - have they integrated your seniority lists or are they keeping the companies separate for now?

How do the two pilot groups get along? I mean it’s hard enough to get along with a “regular” Frenchman, I’d imagine getting along with an AirFrance pilot must be even harder?

What about all other labor groups at the two airlines? Are they happy/unhappy/content/pissed off? Then again, can a true Frenchmen ever be happy? ;)
 

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yeah, how is the merger going. hopefully not as bad as the swissair/crossair and sas/braathens, etc mergers
 

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Pretty sure you do - no cockpit doors on a freighter so it's the same as being on the flight deck of a pax carrier.
not entirely true. i know of at least one freight 121 company thats has the fancy 9-11 cockpit door, that i catch rides with and i am not cass.
 

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The two airlines are operationally separate and almost nothing has changed since the merger, except that the combined company is making lots of money :) . We do not expect our flight operations to be merged in the near future; to do so would possibly jeopardize our rights under certain bilateral agreements. At AF, all of the manuals, training, etc., use the French language, which most of us do not speak, so that is another major issue. The next step would be for us to be able to fly eachother's aircraft while remaining amongst our own crews, but there are no plans to do that yet. The two pilot unions meet regularly and have established good relations, including an agreement to work together to stop the parent company from playing one off the other, should they try to do that. I can't say that I have ever really spoken to an Air France pilot, but I get along just fine with my two French brothers-in-law and my French neice and nephew, so I'm sure I'll get along with them, too, when the time comes.
 

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I didnt see anything about CASS on the website. Just said FAA 121 and 135 carriers.
Would a foreign flag be a 121 or 135 operation? Is part 129 just a supplement of sorts to part 121 the same way 121/135 add to part 91?

Ideal curiosity on my part if anyone can give some insight.
 

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Gemini...We had a BE1900 Air Canada commuter f/o on the jumpseat the other day from YYZ to FRA. I know we go through AMS about two or three times a week.
 
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