Polar Air Cargo, 30 days out from possible strike.

[B747-300]

The people who have the ability to add someone to the list can also be held accountable for their actions!

Half of all the people currently on the list are probably dues paying members in good standing of ALPA. Being on the list is not much of a stigma anymore, especially for crewmembers that don't have to jumpseat to get to work.

And how is it you think you can prove that an Atlas guy was aware of your picket line? Just flying an Atlas plane full of Atlas cargo doesn't make us scabs.

"I am complying with the order of a Federal Judge!" and "I never saw ANY picket line when I reported for duty!" are the phrases of the week.

 

[B-atch]

"I am complying with the order of a Federal Judge!" and "I never saw ANY picket line when I reported for duty!" are the phrases of the week.

Sounds like a good defense......I suggest you use it during the hearing to clear you'r name......Sometime in the next 8 to 10 years.....Better fly overtime, it's gonna get expensive!!!

 

[B-atch]

Half of all the people currently on the list are probably dues paying members in good standing of ALPA. Being on the list is not much of a stigma anymore, especially for crewmembers that don't have to jumpseat to get to work.

I have a feeling that you SPEAK from EXPERIENCE!!!

 

[anon]

ALPA's scab list is meaningless. If you pay your dues, all is forgiven.

Case in point, an Eastern scab is the head of the ALPA Security Committee at ASA. The ASA MEC and ALPA National knew all about him prior to his being placed in that position. Their explanation? "He apologized"!

He is still on the scab list. He is in a position of leadership now with ALPA. Go figure. Way to go ALPA.

 

[B747-300]

If things were going well at the Polar picket lines you guys probably wouldn't be on here making meaningless threats. There seem to be fewer and fewer guys with signs each day....easy to miss the picket line as we report for duty!

I guess the only question remaining concerning the Polar strike is this: Did you shut down Polar or did Polar shut you down?

 

[Whale Rider]

Peak Transit Season Slowing Asian Hubs By Mike Buetow Wednesday, 28 September 2005 NEW YORK -- Asia’s peak shipping season kicked off with pilot strikes, rate increases and reports of tight space conditions in some areas, particularly in regions that route cargo through transit hubs.

A strike by Polar Air Cargo pilots is expected to last through the peak season and cut freighter capacity out of Shanghai, Hong Kong, Japan and Korea, said Trans Global Logistics USA, a major freight forwarder. Japan Airlines and Asiana immediately imposed rate increases after the strike was announced Sept. 16. The full impact of the strike is expected to hit toward the end of the month, TGL said.

Carriers are also hiking fuel surcharges by as much as 67 cents per kilogram.
Furthermore, there is typically a surge in air freight prior to the Chinese National Holiday celebration, which runs from Oct. 1-7. Shanghai and Hong Kong are among the areas expected to feel the brunt of peak season traffic, particularly due to high volumes of electronics goods. TGL advised allowing an extra one or two days of transit time for freight routing through Asian transit hubs because of congestion.

This ones for you "Bagdad Bob"!

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Polar and mgmt. are back at the negotiating table tomorrow in DC. Per a request by the NMB.

 

[B747-300]

Whale,

I agree! You will still be on strike through this peak season. And the next one. And the one after that. And...............................................................

You must be very disappointed that your strike has had such a minimal impact on world markets. A one or two day delay is nothing. I'm sure cargo carriers (some of them are current Atlas customers) are thrilled to be getting higher rates since Polar went away.

How's everything going on the picket lines? I hear that you're having some problems staffing many of the locations. Having your own guys question the rational of this strike must be very damaging to morale.

Thanks for the whale drivel, but I am still expecting an answer to my earlier question.

Maybe you guys can grovel in D.C. tomorrow and save your jobs. I wouldn't expect the last offer to be available anymore though.

 

[Whale Rider]

You can continue to cry all you want about the past, but in the end you'll just cry some more.

 

[B-atch]

B747-300.....You have no idea how damaging you'r attitude towards the Polar pilots can be....Remember, other pilot groups view this forum. You guys are not looking very labor friendly these days.....You just might start running into trouble trying to jump seat around the system.....Oh by the way, it is against JS policy to request a JS when you'r Co. is required to buy YOU a ticket.....Oh I forgot.....Atlas TAXES you guys on those tickets.....

 

[B747-300]

"You guys are not looking very labor friendly these days"

What a joke! Do you really think anyone at another airline with an once of common sense will look down upon us for flying Atlas planes full of Atlas cargo?

You guys couldn't do more to alienate Atlas crews if you tried. Now you've alienated a federal judge as well. Tomorrow could be a tough day for your boys in D.C. Here's something I know will help:

grov·el

1. To behave in a servile or demeaning manner; cringe.
2. To lie or creep in a prostrate position, as in subservience or humility.

 

[furloughfodder]

I think I know who this guy -300 is, but until I am sure, I am going to refrain from posting it. Let’s just say this…he spends a lot of time in Purchase and MIA.



On another note... I have to agree with you guys. It is amazing how many pilots read these threads. I think the damage -300 is doing will hurt the Atlas pilots for a long time. I just had a friend of mine at AWA ask me if he should be denying Atlas guys the J/S because the are scabs. He said is has been reading these threads on flightinfo and can not believe the attitude of the Atlas guys. He was referring to the constant mentioning of sneaking around picket lines and how it seems like the Atlas guys can’t wait to Polar to go away, mostly because of some issue no one remembers years ago. I asked him to go back and re-read the posts and you will notice all the extremely rude, hostile, and scab like comments are coming from just one guy…. -300. It is pretty obvious who you are. This is a small industry, and this WILL come back to haunt you.

 

[ABOVE ME]

My buddy just gave me the atlas vars number.(800-253-5642) What the hell is going on over there. The MEC seems like he's begging guys not to cross picket lines. I think its just a minority out there that are saying to cross the lines but as a group you Atlas guys need to figure out how your gonna handle this. Good Luck.

 

[bman]

Hey guys
-300's inflamatory rehtoric aside, I would honestly like to have some questions answered. If one of you guys would take the time to answer I would really appreciate it.

1) I think most respect any work group's right to determine their own destiny with regards to a CBA, but why does it seem that the Polar strike is targeted at Atlas Air Cargo Crew Members? I have heard all of the " Its your turn in a few months, this is what you can expect", but no one can truly say how nego will go at that time.

2) Who or what are you actually picketing?

3) I keep hearing people refered to as SCABs. This seems to be blatantly slander/libel. What exactly, in your opinion, does make an Atlas Air Crew member a SCAB? I really think this is a fair question since the "SCAB list" is basically nothing more than an Association sponsored Blacklist that requires nothing more than accusation to be placed on it.

4) The Atlas MEC has indicated (in summation)that a picket line is anywhere as few as one Polar or acting agent is located with a sign. And that said picket line is not to be crossed. He goes on further to state that if a picket line exsists in front of your hotel return to your room. In contrast he also states that as is required by the injucntion that we are to continue performing all company assigned duties. My queston is doesn't this seem as though the idea is to try and create a work stoppage at Atlas Air Cargo to impact AAWWH by essentially extorting Atlas Air Crew Members only with threat of blacklist? While I understand the ploy and could appreciate its effectiveness (in actual practice) it is not the kind of move that engenders happy relations between the two work groups. Furthermore it forces Atlas air crew members to decided between feeding their families and supporting a strike they did not vote on or authorize. The Atlas MEC seems to be little or no help in this matter.

4) What is it that the Polar pilot group is looking for? What is the endgame? I have heard what JC and crew have offered, but honestly don't know what Polar is asking for.

I think these are fair questions since no one who works here cannot not be involved in this.

 

[Whale Rider]

Jeez where have you been bman???:smash:

 

[bman]

Hey Whalerider,

I hope you guys comeback to work soon so we can get back to drinkin and talkin about something else.

I missed you too, peaches!!!

 

[furloughfodder]

bman-

You are a great example of the vast majority of Atlas pilots. The questions you pose are excellent. I think it would be VERY difficult to be an Atlas guy right now, and I know it would seem the strike is directed at you.

I think the reason Polar is picketing the Atlas flights is clear. The injunction allows Atlas to fly all of Polar’s struck freight. If Atlas is allowed to fly the struck freight without consequence, the strike is futile and worthless. Strikes are designed to cause a financial burden towards a company in order to get them to return to good faith bargaining. A strike is a labor group’s last chance to demand a fair settlement, and without the threat of strike, labor would have no leverage even going into negotiations at any unionized company.

Anyway, getting back to your question. Since Atlas is allowed to fly Polar’s struck freight, the only way Polar can impact the company at this point is to disrupt the moving of this freight. At most companies that only operate 1 airline, when the planes are parked the freight stops moving. Unfortunately at Atlas, management has the option when one group (Polar) goes on strike to simply move all the freight to the other company (Atlas) thereby nullifying the strike effort.

The only way Polar’s strike can be effective is for Atlas pilots to exercise their right not to cross the Polar picket lines. I know I would not want to be in your shoes, it is a tough spot to be in. At least you have clear direction now from your MEC Chairman on what to do.

Obviously ALPA should have had all the details worked out BEFORE taking the Polar pilots on strike. It is really unfortunate that ALPA is so irresponsible to take a group of pilots on strike without addressing these issues beforehand. But, that is typical ALPA National. Not the smartest tools in the shed. Just plain old tools.

 

[TonyC]

Obviously ALPA should have had all the details worked out BEFORE taking the Polar pilots on strike. It is really unfortunate that ALPA is so irresponsible to take a group of pilots on strike without addressing these issues beforehand. But, that is typical ALPA National. Not the smartest tools in the shed. Just plain old tools.

I had composed a post of several paragraphs covering several points, but didn't get to post, as clicking the "Preview Post" button sent me to a "you ain't even signed in buddy" page.





Lemme try again.


Speaking of dull tools, ALPA National does not take any group of pilots on strike. The only pilots that authorize the withdrawal of services at a carrier are the pilots of THAT carrier, through their MEC.



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[B747-300]

FF, AWA flies out of JFK. Are they honoring the Polar picket lines? Are they all to be considered scabs now too? Why not? Is it because they are flying AWA planes full of AWA pax and cargo? How is that different than Atlas guys flying Atlas planes full of Atlas cargo?

It looks like our MEC stuck their necks out again (probably in violation of the TRO) and they're going to save your strike.

 

[TonyC]

1) I think most respect any work group's right to determine their own destiny with regards to a CBA, but why does it seem that the Polar strike is targeted at Atlas Air Cargo Crew Members? I have heard all of the " Its your turn in a few months, this is what you can expect", but no one can truly say how nego will go at that time.

It only seems that way because Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings is targeting Atlas Air, Inc. as the carrier of choice to move struck work. If AAWH was using World to move the freight, Polar would be "targeting" World.

In the unique relationship that Atlas pilots and Polar pilots enjoy, the "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" mentality can work to your advantage when AAWH tragets Polar to move work struck by Atlas. Rather than suffer from whipsaw administered by AAWH, you can depend on each other to bolster both your positions.



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