PNCL management propaganda

[Inconceivable]

I don't know if even PCL would stoop this low, but the issue for probies during a strike is the company does not have to let them come back even when the rest of the pilot group returns to the line.

I am not aware of a single strike in which such probationary "hostages" were not immediately returned to service without prejudice--this is ALWAYS negotiated by ALPA.

 

[PCL_128]

I don't know if even PCL would stoop this low, but the issue for probies during a strike is the company does not have to let them come back even when the rest of the pilot group returns to the line.

The PCL MEC would never accept a new contract without an agreement that included the return of all probies. However, I doubt the MEC will even ask probies to honor the lines.

 

[flyf15]

I don't know if even PCL would stoop this low, but the issue for probies during a strike is the company does not have to let them come back even when the rest of the pilot group returns to the line.

With the current attrition over there, aren't something like 10% of their CAs and over 50% of their FOs probies?

 

[arthompson]

I don't think he percentages are that high. You kidding they can only get 3-10 people per new hire class

 

[Flyer1015]

I hope you gave them the swift kick to the groin that they all deserved.

I wanted to! One guy was a teamsters (some truck driving job he had), and he mentioned how he hated unions. He said he wasn't going to lean towards the company, nor towards ALPA.

The other guy, the WORST one, said he'd fly even if there was a strike. To feed his kids. I told him with how little we make, it's useless to have that money thing as an excuse. If you want to feed your family, you can do ANYTHING else and make more than a 1st yr Pinnacle F/O. He still said, no, I don't want to get fired by management (since he'd be a probationary pilot), and that he needs to feed his family and let the paycheck continue. I asked him if he seriously understood the consequences of crossing the picket line. "I don't care" was his response.

Tell your classmates that they better get real comfy working here because it will be the last place they'll ever get a job if they cross a line. Crossing the line is the surest and quickest way to ruin an Airline Pilot career. Wait no, I take that back. They could probably find work at Skybus.

They didn't realize that. To them, it meant nothing. One guy actually pondered: "Do I strike with the pilots and get fired due to being on probation and striking, or do I cross the picket line and fly to keep my job?" I told him to go with the first option, and support the union and its strike actions. They apparently don't understand that their career opportunities will be severely limited if they cross the picket line.

And about that "worst" guy, he's an arrogant pr*ck. A CRJ bridge program graduate who actually tried on multiple occasions to correct instructors in class hahaha. Loser. He had NO common sense whatsoever! He wrecked his first plane with just 10 hours total time (solo flight/alone).
I can only pray that whoever he flies with, that Captain can take over and save the day, or otherwise this pr*ck is gonna get himself killed and take 50 people with him. I will be checking what flights he flies, and I will not be letting my family on those flights.

 

[Flyer1015]

Maybe it's time for a Clive the clown avatar?

Hmm, I think it is! I'll see what I can come up with.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Robert Buck, who recently passed away, and is more of an Air Line Pilot than any of us.. and who any new hire FO at Pinnacle would be lucky, yet probably to ignorant to realize, to sit on the LAV seat of any aircraft Capt. Buck operated, if at all possible.. had this to say in his book North Star Over My Shoulder p. 286.

So the battle lines between the Air Line Pilots Association and TWA had been drawn, and as each day of negotiations passed it was evident that neither side was giving.
I talked to John Collings, warning him, "This is serious, the men will strike."
"They'll never walk out" was his cocksure answer.
On the night of October 21, 1946, they did walk, and Collings saw pilots appear with picket signs as the airline came to a stop.
The company made no attempt to break the strike. Where would I have been if the company executives and perhaps scab pilots had flown? I would have been with the pilots, on the picket line. While I enjoyed the so-called executive and special assignments, I never doubted my place was as a line pilot, where I wanted to be.

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To the new hire FO that said you'd cross a line to feed your family.... We all have families. What do you think we are doing here? If you want to continue to feed your family at the trough go right ahead.. But the rest of us are working on getting four chairs and a table... if you cross a picket line you will be eating at the trough for the rest of your career.

Regardless, as professional men and women we will be sitting at the table of pride, courage and self respect with our shoulders back and our heads high...

 

[TurboAWD]

To me it is almost more disturbing how little these dumb-ass "pilots" know about their career than the fact that they think they would cross.

Back to work agreements bring back the hostages.

Then there are the idiots that say "why don't we go on strike", right after the MEC puts out the 200th article on the RLA.

This profession's biggest problem might not be mgmt, it might be pilots.

Turbo

 

[arthompson]

Well said Turbo. I think the reason why management gets away with what it gets away with is that there is so much SJS pilots forget the past. There is still management that actually cares about there employees though you wouldn't know it if you just read flight info.

 

[Flyprdu]

You know, I am fully aware of the bindings of the RLA - but there are times when I ask, "why not?"

I surely don't remember times of old where pilots had such a terrible time getting to the point where they could walk the line. And besides, if the union remains united - the company and/or gov't couldn't prosecute everyone.

Someone please convince me once and for all why following the RLA to the letter is beneficial.

One more thing- early union and strike coordinators surely didn't ask permission before they walked. The response was always 'it's illegal. Go back to work." They did it anyway - and here we are, beneficiaries of their courage.

We could use some of that courage again.

 

[Lazy8]

I wanted to! One guy was a teamsters (some truck driving job he had), and he mentioned how he hated unions. He said he wasn't going to lean towards the company, nor towards ALPA.

The other guy, the WORST one, said he'd fly even if there was a strike. To feed his kids. I told him with how little we make, it's useless to have that money thing as an excuse. If you want to feed your family, you can do ANYTHING else and make more than a 1st yr Pinnacle F/O. He still said, no, I don't want to get fired by management (since he'd be a probationary pilot), and that he needs to feed his family and let the paycheck continue. I asked him if he seriously understood the consequences of crossing the picket line. "I don't care" was his response.

He doesn't want to get fired by management?... Well tell him to look at it this way. If we do strike and a contract is settled do you think they'll just up and fire all the probationary pilots? No. We're understaffed as it is and they will never get this place back off the ground without the probationary pilots. Heck, we still have CAPTAINS on 1st year probation. Nobody is getting fired.

The simple fact that we're scouring every CRJ bridge program in the country for pilot candidates ought to say something. An airline that boasts "Simply the Best" should not be hiring from the least experienced area of the pilot pool. No, there will be no probie firings. They'll just be hoping you don't go and find a better flying job while you're on strike!

 

[Flyer1015]

Presently, the situation is like a football game where we get to the goal line and ALPA leadership keeps moving the goal post.

Hahahahaa that part is hilarious!

CS = Idiot. What a bad analogy. The goal line and goal post are two completely separate things. Crossing the football over the goal line gets you 6 points. Depending on the situation, getting the ball over a goal post is either 3 pts (FG) or 1 pt. So even if you move the goal post, that says nothing about the goal line... that still remains the same. Bad analogy by CS, but it's ok, I'll wait for the next fear grenade letter.

I'm sorry, but CS is well short of the goal line! Well short! CS and PT are waaaay back on THEIR OWN 10 yard line.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How does ALPA control goal post placement... meaning.. ALPA has more control in the airline environement... it doesn't... With the RLA, the gov't and company have all control levers.... if any one is moving the goal post it is management...

 

[DoinTime]

Pinnacle management wants to believe that something ALPA was willing to settle on a year ago should still be available today. The whole concept of cost escalation over time is lost on them. It would be nice if we all could go to the store and pay last years prices but that isn't the case.

 

[Smarta$$]

CS is a hypocrite! How can he sit there and write a letter like that to a group of pilots, who he knows damn well have been beaten down like a bunch of red headed step children at the salvation army soup line. christ he was one the highest paid pilots in the industry over at fed ex and his son of all people is a pncl pilot. i'd love to hear what their conversations are like

CS: How was your day son?
Son: Well after 6 legs, no breaks and a SCHEDULED reduced rest overnight, i got extended. How was yours?
CS: Well i'm trying to undercut your negoiations and figure out a way that i can pull your ballz over the top of your head...
Son: %^($ You dad

Give em hell guys

Son: Dad, can't the pilots just have a little more money?

CS: NO, NO, NO they may not. 19K is already TOO much.

Son: But my friends can't even afford to move out of their parents basements!

CS: Its not like they have any time off anyway. We provide hotels on overnights, for now. They can live their.

Son: But everything is getting more EXPENSIVE, and we are making less every year because of inflation.

CS: I will give you some of MY BONUS MONEY! The rest of them F#$%ers can starve!


THE TIME FOR A CHEAPER DEAL WAS THREE YEARS AGO. Now I want industry leading.