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lj1313

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Please tell me that I am misunderstanding this post on the REGIONAL section of FI. There was a discussion about denying a jumpseat by a GJ crew. I placed a post that we all need to start being careful with who we deny JS's to because there are so many furloughies from both majors and regionals alike.

Then xjgearbtch posted this:

Shame on the furloughed guys going to gojet! They don't like getting furloughed then get mainline to recapture "their" flying. Until then we are fighting a race to the bottom at the regional level. If my FOM so to deny then I will deny. There are no clauses to help out a furloughed mainline pilot. They took that risk going there.

Am I misunderstanding his statement, or is this what we are becoming to each other? Please tell me it is just me being overly sensitive, because I hope that I am.

Sorry about the spelling and grammar.

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Shame on the furloughed guys going to gojet! They don't like getting furloughed then get mainline to recapture "their" flying. Until then we are fighting a race to the bottom at the regional level. If my FOM so to deny then I will deny. There are no clauses to help out a furloughed mainline pilot. They took that risk going there.
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Lamar,

Fact is that RJ's have been the vehicle of destruction for 1,000's of major airline pilot jobs in the past 20 years. Another fact is there are 1,000's more guys who will fly them for less than the last guy.

Capice?
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He just needs to know who pays his paycheck. That's all. Inmaturity. He'll grow up.
 

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Lamar,

Fact is that RJ's have been the vehicle of destruction for 1,000's of major airline pilot jobs in the past 20 years. Another fact is there are 1,000's more guys who will fly them for less than the last guy.

Capice?
Gup
Fact is that without getting previous 121 time you you'll have a very slim chance to be hired by SWA or any other legacy carrier. On the other side of the pond I see RJs in Euroland and see their copilots bringing home approx up to 4500/month.

Blame it on the RJ and their pilots. Like we really had a choice.
 

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Thanks folks... I thought it was just me.

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Fact is that without getting previous 121 time you you'll have a very slim chance to be hired by SWA or any other legacy carrier. On the other side of the pond I see RJs in Euroland and see their copilots bringing home approx up to 4500/month.

Blame it on the RJ and their pilots. Like we really had a choice.
You should have flown traffic, or freight, or CFI for 10,000 hours. It's all RJ pilots' fault!
 

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Lamar,

Fact is that RJ's have been the vehicle of destruction for 1,000's of major airline pilot jobs in the past 20 years. Another fact is there are 1,000's more guys who will fly them for less than the last guy.

Capice?
Gup

Gup-

Yes agreed!

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Lamar,

Fact is that RJ's have been the vehicle of destruction for 1,000's of major airline pilot jobs in the past 20 years. Another fact is there are 1,000's more guys who will fly them for less than the last guy.

Capice?
Gup
Mainline is who allowed RJ's to be flown by another senority list. The blame lies squarely on mainline for any of it's own "destruction" Get all flying under mainline senority regardless of aircraft type. That is the only way to fix the downward spiral we have.
 

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Get all flying under mainline senority regardless of aircraft type. That is the only way to fix the downward spiral we have.
No interest at the major level for this to happen.
 

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No interest at the major level for this to happen.
I wouldn't say "no interest" just not enough to suffer actual pain (unless it is inflicted upon someone else) in the process.

I actually like FI now that I pulled the D-ring.

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You should have flown traffic, or freight, or CFI for 10,000 hours. It's all RJ pilots' fault!
I don't think you can get more than 1500 hours CFI and stay sane...
 
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Go Jets is a different form of the beast. They are an alter ego of trans states airlines who has been successful in keeping the seniority lists seperate- unlike republic which managed to integrate chautaqua and shuttle america-

I personally have no problem denying a J/S to them- they used to sneak on our a/c with the gate agents help-using jumpseat privileges w/o a reciprocal agreement in place. I was not a reciprocating Nazi- but in this case... I didn't feel the need to go out of my way and undercut our industry's ability to negotiate -

I'm not up on the latest, but at the time - allowing them free rides, a major benefit to being at a legitimate carrier- was really viewed as undercutting TSA's leverage towards getting the planes flown by the right list.

Unless you all think Lorenzo type activity is alright- it's a no brainer to deny them.
 

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ALPA is to blame on the RJ's and not having a national seniority list decades ago.
 

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ALPA is to blame on the RJ's and not having a national seniority list decades ago.

Agreed.

But when we could have (actually should have would be better) did anyone know what the state of the industry would be? Deregulation, influx of LLC's and regionals flying internationally? Heck for that matter, did any of us know that a regional carrier would have ever flown a jet in commercial service? It seems like I can actually rememebr when the term "regional" carrier did not exist. You had "mainline" (mostly Legacy) and you has "commuter".

This industry has so fluid now. Its hard for me to keep up with who the good guys and bad guys are.


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