Please Submit Pireps!

[Lrjtcaptain]

Alrigyt fellow pilots, im tired of flying into the unknown. IM tired of getting a 10 minute WX breifing, filing IFR where supposidly no airmets are present, then looking at my wing and seeing an inch of ice. Planes fly all over at all altitudes, Why is it everytime i file there are no pireps along my route??? Why, because no one is dialing in Flightwatch on 122.2 and submiting. I make it a point to submit one every flight even if its clear and smooth. I do OAT, ill figure what the winds are with the GPS. I want this information from everyone else. ITS NOT THAT hard, its just frusterating to not have any observed inflight data.

PLEASE MAKE IT A POINT TO SUBMIT A PIREP ON EVERY X-CTRY

 

[supsup]

122.0

For a guy who is "just bored with the piston scene" with 800 TT flying one of the best light twins every made, you are sure getting excited about a little ice. Maybe your just not paying attention.

supsup

 

[Wiggums]

You might not hear anyone calling Flightwatch on 122.2 since the freq is 122.0.

 

[crosscut]

Alrigyt fellow pilots, im tired of flying into the unknown. IM tired of getting a 10 minute WX breifing, filing IFR where supposidly no airmets are present, then looking at my wing and seeing an inch of ice. Planes fly all over at all altitudes, Why is it everytime i file there are no pireps along my route??? Why, because no one is dialing in Flightwatch on 122.2 and submiting. I make it a point to submit one every flight even if its clear and smooth. I do OAT, ill figure what the winds are with the GPS. I want this information from everyone else. ITS NOT THAT hard, its just frusterating to not have any observed inflight data.

PLEASE MAKE IT A POINT TO SUBMIT A PIREP ON EVERY X-CTRY

What do you mean? PIREPS are passed along ALL THE TIME. 122.00 (or any other FSS/radio freq) isn’t the only source to forward the info. Any center (such as ice, turb, winds, other remarks), tracon (same as center plus w/s during appch), or local (tower folks – w/s, winds at altitude on appch) (heck – even ground controllers will take a pirep & pass it along if tower's busy) air traffic controllers always gladly (my exprnce) take a pirep. Any ATC board members out there – correct me if I’m wrong, but any hazardous wx reported by pilots, once forwarded (whatever freq you're on at the time), always show up on any given wx brief (as long as it concerns the same route of flight). I would guess the reason(s) you haven’t been advised of any is a) the a/c on your flight plan is not for known ice – so the briefer decides to conserve his breath; or b) pireps expire; c) or, may be, there truly wasn’t any; d) if I remember right – don’t you also have to specifically request them aside from your actual brief? Good luck.

 

[NJA Capt]

filing IFR where supposidly no airmets are present, then looking at my wing and seeing an inch of ice.

If the freezing level is on the ground, and your flight is going to be IMC, You are all but guaranteed you WILL have ice.

Depending on your AFM, icing is anticipated at 5C or 10C, and visible moisture (ie...cloud). If your plane is not certified for flight in icing, don't go in the clouds below +10C.

 

[bigsky]

I dont think it is wise to put too much stock in pireps in regards to icing. For one different aircraft have very different characteristics. A small recip may fly through an area and get moderate/severe rime while a turbo-prop may fly through same area and get clear. Then a swept wing jet goes through same area at 450 kts and wont pick up a trace.
Most pilots in larger aircraft tend to underestimate the icing. They may notice ice forming and report it as a trace( to them thats all it really is) however according to AIM 7-1-22 it may very well be moderate or even severe to a small aircraft.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

you are all missing the point. It has nothing to do with the ice. its the fact that if im lucky there are 1 or 2 pireps and usually they are old as hell. my point is, why isn't anyone submiting them. I do everyflight. it has nothing to do with me getting excitied about ice. Its the fact that it seems everyone else is too lazy to dial in 122.0. dont give me that **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** that there are tons of pireps.....there are usually non. Lazy lazy lazy

 

[SSDD]

PIREPs made directly to ATC usually don't make it into the system unless they involve moderate or greater conditions. A particular controller may pass it along verbally, but they are normally not available to an FSS briefer.

 

[Timebuilder]

One little chestnut I picked up a few years ago: if you just make a comment about a condition to someone on the radio, it may or may not end up as a PIREP.

If, however, you say "I have a PIREP for you" a wholly different attitude swings into action, bringing the chances of your report popping up on screens everwhere to nearly 100%.

Until you become familiar, you can laminate a copy of the FAA PIREP form, and write on it with a dry marker so that you will give all of the info in the right order, just like you do when filing.

Most controllers will be happy to take down the information.

 

[DCitrus9]

"Its the fact that it seems everyone else is too lazy to dial in 122.0. dont give me that **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** that there are tons of pireps.....there are usually non. Lazy lazy lazy"

I think it's you who is lazy for relying on PIREPS as your weather brief. If you need a pirep to plan your trip, then you are in over your head.
You can file a pirep anytime you want, but conditions worse than expected are the only time a report is required.

 

[TXCAP4228]

Alrigyt fellow pilots, im tired of flying into the unknown. IM tired of getting a 10 minute WX breifing, filing IFR where supposidly no airmets are present, then looking at my wing and seeing an inch of ice. Planes fly all over at all altitudes, Why is it everytime i file there are no pireps along my route??? Why, because no one is dialing in Flightwatch on 122.2 and submiting. I make it a point to submit one every flight even if its clear and smooth. I do OAT, ill figure what the winds are with the GPS. I want this information from everyone else. ITS NOT THAT hard, its just frusterating to not have any observed inflight data.

PLEASE MAKE IT A POINT TO SUBMIT A PIREP ON EVERY X-CTRY

Hey Lrjet,

Just think of the lack of PIREPS as being our way of trying to make your flying more exciting. Seeing as how your flying has you so bored.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

i dont rely on pireps for WX briefings, its just nice to have an observation from someone in the air. i would never rely on pireps, i just like to get a feel of what i can expect.....

you guys are totally missing my point. I get flamed for requesting that other pilots just call flight watch and submit.

this isn't going anywhere......

 

[TXCAP4228]

Lrjt,

I will give a pirep if the wx is significant, or if it deviates from the forecast. Are you asking me to give a pirep that says, "Yep, this is a standard atmosphere and the winds are vis are as forecast?"

Whatever.

I get flamed for requesting that other pilots just call flight watch and submit.

Waaah. Nobody will flame you until you call us lazy or you say you are too bored to continue flying your baron without getting pireps.

 

[rumpletumbler]

Lrjtcaptain,

Can I have your job? You never responded when I asked for it in the other thread.

RT

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

i only get pissed when im flying into **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty wx and the briefer said it was gonna be fine and it isn't.....when the wx sux....and it isnt in the forcast, the call flightwatch......doesn't seem like anyone does it.

 

[KingAirer]

I doubt you give to many pireps when you didnt even know the correct freq.

Now since that is out of the way...What would be your suggestion to the FAA to better this situation? I gotta tell ya that if i got loaded up with ice, the first thing im going to do is not going to involve get a freq change over to Flightwatch. Suggestions?

 

[rumpletumbler]

I'd hate to be a passenger on that Baron. You depend on Flight Service to interpet the weather for you. Then when they miss it or you just can't interpet what they are saying your dependency drops to other pilots in the same airspace. Then when they don't give you the current correct weather you lapse into a rage. That is one dangerous ride you have going there. btw can I have your job?

RT

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

you are all pissing me off, i dont' depend of FSS for WX, they give me the standard and thats fine. I listen, i look at all the charts and **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. If you **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing understood where im coming from then that would be fine but you all are just acting like you are all just the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** and don't depend on anyone. So if FSS sucks so bad then just make sure the next time you file IFR you just show up and go.

 

[Lonestar]

Boo-hoo.

 

[rumpletumbler]

Don't forget your private message to me. Let's put it out here for everyone to enjoy. btw, can I have your job?

RT

Lrjtcaptain wrote on 12-18-2002 21:45:
**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** my job.....why would i give it to you? aparently with your CFI you seem to know so much **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, hows the traffic pattern, pretty fun? lots of Xctry time huh? Well, i don't know **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** but i have about 600 hours of xctry and yes, i depend on fss to give me the wx picture. I like pireps so i have a good idea of what else is happening up there. this thread has completly back fired because instead of all of you understanding that pireps are good source of wx data, you just wish to start a fight saying that i must be a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing idiot. well, if im a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing idiot how the hell did i land a captain position in a Baron with 500 tt when i got the job? I must really be a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing idiot.....beats sitting in a C172 with some dip**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** saying, okay, pitch for 79 and call the xwind. Sign me up.