Please Explain.

[Shaheen]

I would like any of you to please help explain this schedule. I'm just curious. Please tell it if like you're telling a 4-year old. Especially the last six fields and the bottom two lines.
Thanks.

Date Flight Depart Arrive Eq Blk Grnd Blk Duty Cred
5230 CVG 750 PHL 933 CR7 143 407 ( 1
17APR 5527 PHL 1340 CVG 1532 CR7 152 103 ( 2
17APR DH5154 CVG 1635 DFW 1804 CR7 0 1241 ( 3


Rpt 650 Rls 1824 L/O DFW 1121 335 1234 534
Minimum Rest 900 S

 

[twighead]

I would like any of you to please help explain this schedule. I'm just curious. Please tell it if like you're telling a 4-year old. Especially the last six fields and the bottom two lines.
Thanks.

Date Flight Depart Arrive Eq Blk Grnd Blk Duty Cred
5230 CVG 750 PHL 933 CR7 143 407 ( 1
17APR 5527 PHL 1340 CVG 1532 CR7 152 103 ( 2
17APR DH5154 CVG 1635 DFW 1804 CR7 0 1241 ( 3


Rpt 650 Rls 1824 L/O DFW 1121 335 1234 534
Minimum Rest 900 S

If you don't know how to read it then I suspect that you shouldn't have that information.

 

[ohplease!]

I would like any of you to please help explain this schedule. I'm just curious. Please tell it if like you're telling a 4-year old. Especially the last six fields and the bottom two lines.
Thanks.

Date Flight Depart Arrive Eq Blk Grnd Blk Duty Cred
5230 CVG 750 PHL 933 CR7 143 407 ( 1
17APR 5527 PHL 1340 CVG 1532 CR7 152 103 ( 2
17APR DH5154 CVG 1635 DFW 1804 CR7 0 1241 ( 3


Rpt 650 Rls 1824 L/O DFW 1121 335 1234 534
Minimum Rest 900 S

looks like a long time to sit in Philly...any good restaurants there to kill time?

 

[doug_or]

looks like a long time to sit in Philly...any good restaurants there to kill time?

haha. good one. I'll have the bourbon pigeon with a cat roll and some sweet and sour floor sweepings.

 

[mynameisjim]

Please tell it if like you're telling a 4-year old.

This piece of paper tells Daddy what flights he is on, and how much money he will make for you. It also tells him which fleabag hotel he'll call you from. Since Daddy's regional flies for everyone, the hardest part is figuring out what mainline partner name to use in his announcements.

 

[Flyer1015]

I would like any of you to please help explain this schedule. I'm just curious. Please tell it if like you're telling a 4-year old. Especially the last six fields and the bottom two lines.
Thanks.

Date Flight Depart Arrive Eq Blk Grnd Blk Duty Cred
5230 CVG 750 PHL 933 CR7 143 407 ( 1
17APR 5527 PHL 1340 CVG 1532 CR7 152 103 ( 2
17APR DH5154 CVG 1635 DFW 1804 CR7 0 1241 ( 3


Rpt 650 Rls 1824 L/O DFW 1121 335 1234 534
Minimum Rest 900 S

It's mostly common sense. :smash:

17APR 5527 PHL 1340 CVG 1532 CR7 152 103

17APR - Day/Month

5527 - Flight #

PHL - Philly!

1340 - Dept. time

CVG - Cincy!

1532 - Arr. time

CR7 - CRJ-700

152 - Block time (leave 1340, arrive 1532, so: 1 hr 52 min) ***within the
same time zone in this case, otherwise, times are local, so adjust
accordingly.

103 - Time on ground before next flight (flight into CVG at 1532, out at 1635,
so: 1 hr 3 mints)

*******************************************************8

Rpt 650 Rls 1824 L/O DFW 1121 335 1234 534

Rpt 650: Report time (0650L I assume)

Rls 1824 (Release time)

L/O DFW: Layover at DFW

335: Total block you operate (CVG-PHL was 143, PHL-CVG was 152, total 3
hr 35 mint)

1234: Total duty (release time - report time) 1824 - 0650 = 12 hr 34 mint **** 1824 local time (central) and your 0650L was CVG time(eastern), adjust accordingly

534: Not sure about Comair, seems to be a combination of operate flight
block + deadhead block (DH) flight from CVG-DFW.

Then 12:41, I believe, is the layover time, 12 hrs 41 mints before your next report time.


Again, it seems Comair prints these times as local time. Other airlines do it differently. For example, I've heard SWA uses Dallas time ("Herb" time) for ALL of their pilot skeds.

 

[Shaheen]

It's mostly common sense. :smash:

17APR 5527 PHL 1340 CVG 1532 CR7 152 103

17APR - Day/Month

5527 - Flight #

PHL - Philly!

1340 - Dept. time

CVG - Cincy!

1532 - Arr. time

CR7 - CRJ-700

152 - Block time (leave 1340, arrive 1532, so: 1 hr 52 min) ***within the
same time zone in this case, otherwise, times are local, so adjust
accordingly.

103 - Time on ground before next flight (flight into CVG at 1532, out at 1635,
so: 1 hr 3 mints)

*******************************************************8

Rpt 650 Rls 1824 L/O DFW 1121 335 1234 534

Rpt 650: Report time (0650L I assume)

Rls 1824 (Release time)

L/O DFW: Layover at DFW

335: Total block you operate (CVG-PHL was 143, PHL-CVG was 152, total 3
hr 35 mint)

1234: Total duty (release time - report time) 1824 - 0650 = 12 hr 34 mint **** 1824 local time (central) and your 0650L was CVG time(eastern), adjust accordingly

534: Not sure about Comair, seems to be a combination of operate flight
block + deadhead block (DH) flight from CVG-DFW.

Then 12:41, I believe, is the layover time, 12 hrs 41 mints before your next report time.


Again, it seems Comair prints these times as local time. Other airlines do it differently. For example, I've heard SWA uses Dallas time ("Herb" time) for ALL of their pilot skeds.

Flyer1015,

Nicely explained and I thank you for that!

However, I wouldn't say it's all common sense stuff. Common sense for whom? First three fields are easily understood, but for someone who has not flown for an airline, the last few could be confusing - I’d rather ask than assume incorrectly – to know what 'Eq, Blk, Grnd, Blk, & CR7, 143, 407, (1, etc. means.

But, after your explanation, it makes lot of ‘common’ sense.

I can tell it would be educational to fly with you compared to the ones who replied earlier, especially ‘twighead’ and ‘mynameisjim’. Imagine flying with these two ‘God’s Gift to Aviation’ if they happen to be your copilots on a three-day trip. I can only picture them flying with their students and saying: “…if you don’t know this, you shouldn’t be in this plane.” Unbelievable!

But it’s true, and the law of nature is such, that those kinds would always exist in any field where humans are involved and more so in aviation than any other field. Perhaps ‘twighead’ would take a breather, calm down, and try to understand how ‘deep’ is his/her statement. If someone is asking for help, you offer help if you could. If you can’t, you didn’t’ have to reply, or get an answer from someone who knows…but you never, never put anyone down for asking for information. There was once a UAL Captain on an ill-fated flight to PDX who ran out of fuel because due to his attitude – like twighead/mynameisjim - he alienated his crew. Oh I can give you many examples, but I’d stop here so our very informed pilots could begin reflecting on their shortcomings!

Thanks you again, Flyer!

 

[rtmcfi]

English as a second language?

 

[Shaheen]

If you don't know how to read it then I suspect that you shouldn't have that information.

I don't know if you fly for an airline or not. But, let's say you do- even though, based on the intelligence you imparted on this thread, it doesn’t seem like you do-and there’s a guy/gal who has just been hired to fly for a certain airline who wants to start educating him/herself about airline ops, would you just tell that person off like you did in your post? I bet you would because that’s exactly what you did.

If you do fly for an airline, remember your first ground school when you showed up and was a nervous wreck trying to soak in all the information? Simply imagine on the day when you started ‘systems’, if your instructor told you that: “…If you don't know how to read it then I suspect that you shouldn't have that information.” And before you start to go deep in to semantics, we all know that reading a statement is different than understanding it.

So, if you knew it all the moment you had all the information…oh well…lets just leave it there.

All I can say is that in future, you’d come across as a much brighter person if you offer help rather than hide your incompetence and ignorance under the umbrella with various colors of sarcasm!

You remind of one instructor I had who belittled me when I asked him to explain the oil pressure gauge. I asked him to explain what does it mean by oil pressure: where/what/how is oil pressure in the single-engine piston (or any piston) airplane measured? He simply couldn’t explain and told me sarcastically that I should not be flying if I don’t understand something as basic as ‘oil pressure’. The more I insisted for the explanation, the more sarcastic he became. Same instructor couldn’t explain it to me how many degrees of variation are we talking about when when ‘V’ is noted in METAR. Your answer brought back memories of an incompetent instructor!

Hope this helps.

 

[twighead]

If you don't know how to read it then I suspect that you shouldn't have that information.

How am I supposed to know that you are some new hire lookingfor help if you didn't identify yourself as such in your original post. For all I know you are some terrorist looking for information. That was what I meant by my statement. It wasn't some insult like you took it as, and then chose to insult me for no reason.

So I don't appreciate your childish insults when you obviously misunderstood my post.

 

[135pilot]

Shaheen, glad somebody on this site was decent enough to answer your question. Do not take it to heart, there is one certainty, the bad attitude of those goof balls will be their demise. Keep your head up and safe flying.

 

[MEL'ed]

I don't know if you fly for an airline or not. But, let's say you do- even though, based on the intelligence you imparted on this thread, it doesn’t seem like you do

He simply couldn’t explain and told me sarcastically that I should not be flying if I don’t understand something as basic as ‘oil pressure’.

Twighead is a "real" airline pilot, and a good one at that. Doug_or is not! If regional pilots take everything so seriously we tend to get stressed for no reason. His comment was funny.

He may have been right. Did you have a drivers license before you began flying? You may recall most cars have a oil pressure gauge too that should be checked periodically. So it shouldn't be a new concept.

 

[Flyer1015]

Shaheen, no problem. I was only kidding about the 'most of it is common sense' part, hence the :smash: hammer similie.

For all I know you are some terrorist looking for information.For all I know you are some terrorist looking for information.

LOL! Now that's funny!

I can imagine it already... a terrorist on flightinfo.com reporting back to Osama.

Osama: Hamid, what did you learn from your flightinfo mission?

Hamid: Well, Osama, the regional pilots are all pis$ed of. Their pay is low, and this thing the infidels call "RFP" is a major problem for the regional guys.

Osama: Hmmm, what else?

Hamid: Well, this one infidel who calls himself "General Lee" has been called a "tool" from his fellow members.

Osama: Did you investigate that Comair flight schedule?

Hamid: Yes, I saw the infidels flight schedule.

Osama: Do you want to fly that?

Hamid: Um, no sir.

Osama: Why not?

Hamid: Well, it's got a 06:50L report time, I mean come on, I need to sleep in for my tea and dates.

Osama: oh?

Hamid: Then, the infidel management decided to fly a deadhead leg which doesn't even pay 100%.

Osama: Hmmm.

Hamid: And the layover is in Texas, the heartland of the infidels.

Osama: I see.

Hamid: I don't want it. Comair screw scheduling will junior man me on my day off. How am I suppose to go to my American-Hatred 101 class?

 

[twighead]

Shaheen, no problem. I was only kidding about the 'most of it is common sense' part, hence the :smash: hammer similie.





LOL! Now that's funny!

I can imagine it already... a terrorist on flightinfo.com reporting back to Osama.

Osama: Hamid, what did you learn from your flightinfo mission?

Hamid: Well, Osama, the regional pilots are all pis$ed of. Their pay is low, and this thing the infidels call "RFP" is a major problem for the regional guys.

Osama: Hmmm, what else?

Hamid: Well, this one infidel who calls himself "General Lee" has been called a "tool" from his fellow members.

Osama: Did you investigate that Comair flight schedule?

Hamid: Yes, I saw the infidels flight schedule.

Osama: Do you want to fly that?

Hamid: Um, no sir.

Osama: Why not?

Hamid: Well, it's got a 06:50L report time, I mean come on, I need to sleep in for my tea and dates.

Osama: oh?

Hamid: Then, the infidel management decided to fly a deadhead leg which doesn't even pay 100%.

Osama: Hmmm.

Hamid: And the layover is in Texas, the heartland of the infidels.

Osama: I see.

Hamid: I don't want it. Comair screw scheduling will junior man me on my day off. How am I suppose to go to my American-Hatred 101 class?

Hehe. Far fetched? maybe. But you never know with these guys. Next thing on their list may be to impersonate a flight crew and walk right on an airplane. this would be exactly the type of inromation they would need. And the idiots here would volunteer the information free of charge.

 

[SennaP1]

Thats funny stuff,

and who is this Shaheen, and why does he write in weird colours.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Shaheen, I think you should lose the attitude. In this day & age, airline people are taught to be very suspicious of questions from non-airline people. It's been proven that terrorists have been profiling and shadowing flightcrews to gain intelligence. Your questions about how to read a rotation set off my terrorist alarm too. If you don't work for an airline, then quite frankly, it's none of your business.

Don't ask stupid questions on open forums if you don't want to face this skepticism.

I would also suggest you don't insult the intelligence of those who have already achieved a position you have not because you did not like their answer.

It appears that you have a lot to learn about this industry, junior.

 

[Flyer1015]

and who is this Shaheen, and why does he write in weird colours.

I dunno, but why do you spell colors like an English guy?

Hehe. Far fetched? maybe. But you never know with these guys. Next thing on their list may be to impersonate a flight crew and walk right on an airplane. this would be exactly the type of inromation they would need. And the idiots here would volunteer the information free of charge.

Honestly, the information I posted could be found at other places.

Here is a Delta pilot example, posted by a Delta Air Lines pilot:

http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/30/52/

and

http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/35/58/

That is much more thorough and indepth than what I posted.

 

[Flyer1015]

Shaheen, I think you should lose the attitude. In this day & age, airline people are taught to be very suspicious of questions from non-airline people. It's been proven that terrorists have been profiling and shadowing flightcrews to gain intelligence. Your questions about how to read a rotation set off my terrorist alarm too. If you don't work for an airline, then quite frankly, it's none of your business.

Don't ask stupid questions on open forums if you don't want to face this skepticism.

I would also suggest you don't insult the intelligence of those who have already achieved a position you have not because you did not like their answer.

It appears that you have a lot to learn about this industry, junior.

Hey John P,

Come on, that info is readily available if you really want it. See those two links I posted above, and it gives you all the pilot scheduling/bidding information you could want for Delta Air Lines.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey John P,

Come on, that info is readily available if you really want it. See those two links I posted above, and it gives you all the pilot scheduling/bidding information you could want for Delta Air Lines.

Including an interpretation guide?

Even if the info is out there, why spoon feed it to someone? Regardless, Shaheen should lose the attitude.

 

[rtmcfi]

Why not ask the folks at groundschool who are paid to help you?