Plane crashes into NYC building!?!

[FN FAL]

what was the instructors name and who did he work for?

The papers said his name was Tyler Stanger and he owner operated Stang-Air.

Here is a link to an article about him:

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4484481

 

[LR25]

All VFR "fixed wing" only now have to be under ATC control, not helos though. We dont want to interupt the really rich people from flying roof top to roof top.

Next time you weekenders with no experience go flying your fast machines, do us a favor and stay in the pattern, or better yet, trade down to a Cub or 172.

With all the media attention GA has been getting since 911, we dont need wannabes with deep pockets giving GA more black eyes.

 

[Jmajoris]

Totally false. I heard and saw Mayor Bloomberg say just the opposite.

He's a pilot also.

Just like the Jerk who ripped up Meigs field in Chicago, the mayor of NYC wants to ban GA over Manhattan because we're so worried about what a small plane flying VFR can do to a skyscraper. This is nuts.

 

[Jmajoris]

Surface winds at LGA 100 at 13 knots at the time of the accident...

I used to instruct in that area and routinely took students on hudson river tours.

The east river I did ONCE and never again. It is like flying up a box canyon. The corridor dead ends so you have to turn around and it is tight... bridges and buildings everywhere.

Unfortunately I can easily see how this could happen if the conditions were marginal... and the flight instructor was from California with 900 hours, probably not real familiar. Sad.

 

[Jmajoris]

Actually it is over 1900 feet wide.


At the point where they were presumably trying to turn around the river is only 825 feet wide! If you are doing 120 knots in a Cirrus good luck!

 

[Taildraggaah]

I don't remember the SR20 being approved for aerobatic flight. I know that the SR22 isn't and that they are both not approved for intentional spins.

Thanks to the witnesses we can call off the NTSB, we already know the reason of the crash.

...cause you know that everyone follows all the limitations in an aircraft...right...ever taken off over gross weight???

 

[Taildraggaah]

All VFR "fixed wing" only now have to be under ATC control, not helos though. We dont want to interupt the really rich people from flying roof top to roof top.

Next time you weekenders with no experience go flying your fast machines, do us a favor and stay in the pattern, or better yet, trade down to a Cub or 172.

With all the media attention GA has been getting since 911, we dont need wannabes with deep pockets giving GA more black eyes.

well said...

 

[Snakum]

How do you know that person wasn't an expert witness in the aural interpretation of truck downshifting/engine braking?

Because there's only one expert on Aural Interpretation of Truck Downshifting and Engine Braking ... me. And I wasn't called.

 

[ackattacker]

Actually it is over 1900 feet wide.


At the point where they were presumably trying to turn around the river is only 825 feet wide! If you are doing 120 knots in a Cirrus good luck!

Look again. It depends upon whether you count Roosevelt Island, which does have some tall buildings on it. From the TAC it is difficult for me to tell whether the exclusion is supposed to include Roosevelt Island or not. You're getting into questions like how wide is the blue line on the chart.

 

[SweatHog]

I'm looking at my "VFR Terminal Area Chart: New York". The East River area is QUITE Distintive with the heavy blue lines deliniating the "BOX CANYON" for the East River approaching from the south. Only One way in and One way out. You NEED the chart to see it though. NO Chart... NO SEE.

My guess is they knew the stakes.. because they DID try the turn.

 

[FN FAL]

Because there's only one expert on Aural Interpretation of Truck Downshifting and Engine Braking ... me. And I wasn't called.

Yes, but I don't think they were limiting their pool of experts to the Peoples Republic of Venezuela, so there was at least 1 or 4 more to choose from.

 

[JediNein]

My thoughts and prayers to all involved, a horrible day for aviation, especially GA in the States. Just wondering if anyone knew the instructor involved?

Yes and it still hurts.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[NuGuy]

Yes and it still hurts.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

JN,

Over the years, it never gets any easier when this happens. I've had to start using my 2nd hand to count the friends and aquaintences that this business has taken, and it really stinks.

Nu

 

[JimNtexas]

I don't know how long this will work, but you can see the radar track of the accident airplane here:

http://www4.passur.com/lga.html

Set the date and time to 10/11/2006 at 14:30. At about 14:31 N292CD, the accident aircraft appears just east of Teterboro. It enters the Hudson river corridor heading south. The track drops at 14:33, probably when 292CD switched to 1200.

At 14:37 a 'general aviation' target overflies the Statue of Liberty. That's probably 292CD. This target enters the east river heading north at 14:38. It's overflies what I think is the Queensborogh Bridge at 14:41. Switch to five mile view here.

At 14:42 it performs a hard left turn, I think he's just at the end of the VFR corridor. The track disappears over the shoreline.

 

[Jmajoris]

That is a good point. Most of my experience in that area is flying up and down the Hudson river. The east side of the Hudson has that same blue line out over the river, while much of the traffic below me (I'm almost always in the Bravo) are hugging the coast of Manhattan, well into the blue line....

Splitting hairs, yes. But in this case it could have made a big difference. I guess that one of the things that we can learn from this is to not be afraid to step on the blue line when in the interest of safety.

As an aside, seems like the tallest structure east of their position would be a 415' building in Queens.

Look again. It depends upon whether you count Roosevelt Island, which does have some tall buildings on it. From the TAC it is difficult for me to tell whether the exclusion is supposed to include Roosevelt Island or not. You're getting into questions like how wide is the blue line on the chart.

 

[lowtimedriver]

Anyone know how much time Tyler Stang had in the Cirrus?

 

[FN FAL]

Anyone know how much time Tyler Stang had in the Cirrus?

How many hours did the Yankee ball player have giving his instructor a ridge hand across the esophagus and flying into buildings? Maybe that .1? Who knows?

 

[ackattacker]

This message is hidden because FN FAL is on your ignore list.

Ahh... so much better.

 

[FN FAL]

Ahh... so much better.

Must be a Yankee's fan.

There's no proof that the Yankee ball player didn't disable his CFI in order to commit suicide. The cops certainly aren't going to let that theory NOT exist in their list of things to investigate.

Here's something else to consider, while the ackataker put me on his "ignore" list, a suicide by the Yankee ball player takes ultimate responsibility out of the CFI's hands. All other answers put the CFI in responsibility for the crash. After all, how could a plane with a CFI on board simply run into a building? Not on my watch...and I'm a CFI.

There's no way a CFI that was familiar with the local area "just" watched a student impale them into the side of that building.

So ignore list me all you want, ostrich.

 

[lowtimedriver]

Must be a Yankee's fan.

After all, how could a plane with a CFI on board simply run into a building? Not on my watch...and I'm a CFI.

So ignore list me all you want, ostrich.

Ah, stall-spin-cfi take controls to recover-impacts building trying to recover.