Plane crashes into NYC building!?!

[deadstick]

SiuDude scored one here. I heard 1 report that he had 75 TT, and everybody else is reporting 400TT. The PLANE had 400TT. Not the pilot. Anybody see the article in Plane and Pilot this month asking about primary students (and low time pilots?) in the Cirrus? So, if he got his private in the 2005 172SP in the video and got the ticket in 45 hours, that is about a possible 30 hours he would have in the SR 20.

Another bone to pick...Miles. "This is the best-selling blah-blah-blah." He mentioned that it had all the bells and whistles. BUT Miles was talking about his 22. As the spec sheet shows, this is a 4 year old model with no traffic or wx. ALSO, everybody is talking about the chute (the black boxes were beat to a pulp in another thread-'nuff said). Isn't the min altitude 2000 AGL or so and less that 133 KIAS for a successful deployment. That won't help for a spin in the pattern or a low altitude corridor.

Two things are true right now:
1) We know less than the NTSB folks on the ground.
2) The press knows/understands flying less than an....ostrich. (Trying to stay clean.)

This was a tragedy because somebody who obviously had a passion for flying is dead. How about focusing on that?

I just get over-torqued because the "experts" convince the public to fear a 152 because somebody MIGHT pack it with 50 lbs of HE and... How about a RYDER truck, you idiots! That can carry a heck of a lot more! There is a self-proclaimed CNN Security Analist ;-) named Pat "the Blueberry Pin Stripe Pimp" D'Amuro talking to Anderson Cooper. It's Bob Arnot all over again!! "The little planes don't have to files the blessed flight plan!!" I think it's Boss Daley in a costume.

Ok...ENOUGH!! If I keep watching this, I'll shoot my tv. I like my tv.

Dear GOD they are talking about Munson in 79. Wasn't that a Citation?!?


Idiots.......

 

[CE402]

First of all my condolences to the families involved.

Secondly, I had the bad judgement to watch that Junior Stay Puft Marshmallow man Chris "Fathead" Matthews, host of NoHardBall(s) going on about "why do they let these general aviation planes fly so close to the city?" asking some rent-an-analyst about it, to which Mr. Analyst replies "Well for political reasons....and lobbying efforts by pilot groups....this has prevented this -- what I believe is a -- necessary step from being implemented" (referencing shutting GA out of the NYC area ala Wash DC). To which Fathead replies "Well yeah, privelege has a voice"

Oh yeah Mr. Man O' the People who has a friggin house on Nantucket where the median house price is 1.4 Large. Thats just what the victims of this crash would want to hear about -- more restrictions on GA....nice tribute to them. Man did I want to dope slap that idiot.

Raising my glass to the two lost pilots today and praying for their families. I'm out.

 

[deadstick]

Jim Tillman...the voice of reason.

If I remember, he was still flying heavies for UAL in Chicago and doing the weather on the NBC station there WAY back when.

ATTN: Anderson Cooper and CNN
Fire all the talking heads and keep Jim's number on speed dial.

 

[The_Russian]

Jim did a great job tonight.

 

[FN FAL]

21 firefighters went to the hospital over this crash.

 

[FN FAL]

21 firefighters went to the hospital over this crash.

Actually, another article said 11 firefighters...there's so many stories with so much different information that it is hard to keep track.

Cory Lidle and his flight instructor were the only ones killed in the crash. At least 21 people were hurt, mostly firefighters

 

[lowtimedriver]

SiuDude scored one here. I heard 1 report that he had 75 TT, and everybody else is reporting 400TT. The PLANE had 400TT. Not the pilot. Anybody see the article in Plane and Pilot this month asking about primary students (and low time pilots?) in the Cirrus? So, if he got his private in the 2005 172SP in the video and got the ticket in 45 hours, that is about a possible 30 hours he would have in the SR 20.

Another bone to pick...Miles. "This is the best-selling blah-blah-blah." He mentioned that it had all the bells and whistles. BUT Miles was talking about his 22. As the spec sheet shows, this is a 4 year old model with no traffic or wx. ALSO, everybody is talking about the chute (the black boxes were beat to a pulp in another thread-'nuff said). Isn't the min altitude 2000 AGL or so and less that 133 KIAS for a successful deployment. That won't help for a spin in the pattern or a low altitude corridor.

Two things are true right now:
1) We know less than the NTSB folks on the ground.
2) The press knows/understands flying less than an....ostrich. (Trying to stay clean.)

This was a tragedy because somebody who obviously had a passion for flying is dead. How about focusing on that?

I just get over-torqued because the "experts" convince the public to fear a 152 because somebody MIGHT pack it with 50 lbs of HE and... How about a RYDER truck, you idiots! That can carry a heck of a lot more! There is a self-proclaimed CNN Security Analist ;-) named Pat "the Blueberry Pin Stripe Pimp" D'Amuro talking to Anderson Cooper. It's Bob Arnot all over again!! "The little planes don't have to files the blessed flight plan!!" I think it's Boss Daley in a costume.

Ok...ENOUGH!! If I keep watching this, I'll shoot my tv. I like my tv.

Dear GOD they are talking about Munson in 79. Wasn't that a Citation?!?


Idiots.......

Nice post!

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

This guy was a scab. The only tragedy was that he didn't take another scab with him.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

The ATL local rag the AJC, also known as the Atlanta Urinal and Constipation and Al Jezeera Constitution had two pages about it. NOT one single word about the instructor other than "the flight instructor". No name or family info, nothing about him at all. Just paragraph after paragraph about the pitcher and the last page with the "witness's" who saw all sorts of "acrobatics", "zooming up and down", "on fire", "sounded to me like a truck gearing down".
All experts.....

 

[UM#1]

The coast guard just released a video from one of their cameras. Shows the plane crashing into the building. Saw it on Headline news @ 930.

 

[FN FAL]

"sounded to me like a truck gearing down".
All experts.....

How do you know that person wasn't an expert witness in the aural interpretation of truck downshifting/engine braking?

 

[Charty]

I blame A-Rod. Go Sox! A reporter said today that the cause could have been that the plane lost fuel or didn't have enough. I guess the explosion was special effects.

 

[eddie02]

My thoughts and prayers to all involved, a horrible day for aviation, especially GA in the States. Just wondering if anyone knew the instructor involved?

 

[ShawnC]

...last page with the "witness's" who saw all sorts of "acrobatics", "zooming up and down", "on fire", "sounded to me like a truck gearing down".
All experts.....

I don't remember the SR20 being approved for aerobatic flight. I know that the SR22 isn't and that they are both not approved for intentional spins.

Thanks to the witnesses we can call off the NTSB, we already know the reason of the crash.

 

[ReportCanoa]

The real question is, how much will insurance rates go up.

 

[time builder]

Just like the Jerk who ripped up Meigs field in Chicago, the mayor of NYC wants to ban GA over Manhattan because we're so worried about what a small plane flying VFR can do to a skyscraper. This is nuts.

 

[deadstick]

Watching the 4:30 briefing. This is the same member who was at the Comair accident...

Member Hersman is a certified Child Passenger Safety Technician. She holds a commercial drivers license with passenger, school bus, and air brake endorsements. She successfully completed a motorcycle basic rider course and holds a motorcycle endorsement.

Before joining the Board, Member Hersman was a Senior Professional Staff Member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation from 1999 to 2004 where she was responsible for the legislative agenda, oversight and policy initiatives for surface transportation issues, including economic and safety regulation of railroads, truck and bus safety, pipeline safety, and hazardous materials transportation safety. She worked extensively on the Motor Carrier Safety Improvement Act of 1999, the Pipeline Safety Improvement Act of 2002, the Transportation Equity Act of the 21 st Century, the Amtrak Reform and Accountability Act, and numerous transportation safety and security measures.

Prior to her appointment to the Senate Commerce Committee staff, she served as Staff Director and Senior Legislative Aide to Congressman Bob Wise of West Virginia from 1992 to 1999.

Member Hersman earned Bachelor of Arts degrees in Political Science and International Studies from Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, in 1992, and a Master of Science degree in Conflict Analysis and Resolution from George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, in 1999.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Whew! Boy for a minute I thought she wasn't qualified for "aviation"..... Cleared that right up....

 

[Huck]

But she's hot....

 

[SweatHog]

Im NOT making this up: On one media report, they said that "they" (pilot and passenger) were on a sightseeing flight and the "Flight Instructor" was.....well ........female. Not that there's anything wrong with that!!

 

[ackattacker]

I used to instruct in that area and routinely took students on hudson river tours.

The east river I did ONCE and never again. It is like flying up a box canyon. The corridor dead ends so you have to turn around and it is tight... bridges and buildings everywhere.

Unfortunately I can easily see how this could happen if the conditions were marginal... and the flight instructor was from California with 900 hours, probably not real familiar. Sad.

 

[wt219200]

The instructor was a guy and his name has been released.
Also I think we can kiss the Hudson River VFR corridor goodbye based on the ****storm the media has brought upon it. But if it is unsafe like ack says above maybe its for the best.

 

[ackattacker]

The instructor was a guy and his name has been released.
Also I think we can kiss the Hudson River VFR corridor goodbye based on the ****storm the media has brought upon it. But if it is unsafe like ack says above maybe its for the best.

These guys were not in the Hudson River corridor... they were in the East River corridor. I don't think it's unsafe necessarily just tricky and not for fast planes, better for helicopters. The Hudson River Corridor is great. The East River corridor gets real narrow real fast. Pull up Google Earth and take a look at where 72nd street is. It's directly across from Roosevelt Island. Now pull up a terminal area chart for NY (you can get one online at:
http://maps.myairplane.com/default.asp)

At the point where they were presumably trying to turn around the river is only 825 feet wide! If you are doing 120 knots in a Cirrus good luck!

edit: PS guys in the know would get a helicopter chart, which has named routes crisscrossing all over and get a clearance from the East River to cross over central park instead of trying to turn around.

 

[JCJ]

Just like the Jerk who ripped up Meigs field in Chicago, the mayor of NYC wants to ban GA over Manhattan because we're so worried about what a small plane flying VFR can do to a skyscraper. This is nuts.

Gotta disagree here. Go to the MSNBC story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15239970/ and look at the video link of the Coast Guard footage of the crash. After the CG video, there are comments from Mayor Bloomberg that are really pretty reasonable IMHO. The other pols may be off base, though.

 

[ackattacker]

Gotta disagree here. Go to the MSNBC story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15239970/ and look at the video link of the Coast Guard footage of the crash. After the CG video, there are comments from Mayor Bloomberg that are really pretty reasonable IMHO. The other pols may be off base, though.

Yep, I thought Bloomberg's comments have been entirely reasonable. If I'm not mistaken he is a private pilot. But he will be fighting an uphill battle to protect the VFR corridor.

 

[Rally]

I have flown the Hudson twice going from Fl to MA however I did not see a problem. I did sorta see a problem with the east river, I did'nt even think it was open to fixed aircraft. I thought it was just for helicopters, guess I was wrong.

 

[Fearless Tower]

The altitude and space available (particularly the 'boxed canyon' design of it as ackattacker mentioned) in the East River corridor would imply that it is intended for helos, but as far as I know there is nothing written that prevents a fixed wing from flying there.....I would imagine that is going to change.

 

[Fearless Tower]

Just like the Jerk who ripped up Meigs field in Chicago, the mayor of NYC wants to ban GA over Manhattan because we're so worried about what a small plane flying VFR can do to a skyscraper. This is nuts.

Latest ariticle on CNN:

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a recreational pilot with decades of experience, said he believes the skies are safe under the current rules.
"We have very few accidents for an awful lot of traffic," he said. "Every time you have an automobile accident, you're not going to go and close the streets or prohibit people from driving."

I don't see how you could possibly compare Mayor Bloomberg with that turd from Chicago.

 

[deadstick]

It's the NY governor who's the problem.

 

[PC12Cowboy]

what was the instructors name and who did he work for?