Plane crash Aspen

[FRACTRASH]

Anyone have any details? looks like it could have been a Challenger.

 

[208starcheck]

I would expect a call from the FAA if I flew 505BC, LXJ339, 124TF, 7HB, or 312SB into ASE. Hopefully these crews failed to notice the winds to runway 15 and didn't knowingly land with that tailwind. 10 knot tailwind limitation is there for a reason.

METAR KASE 051953Z 31016G30KT

 

[gunfyter]

How do you know they didn't circle to 33?

 

[skyismyoffice]

They didn't. Just heard ATC recording online

 

[208starcheck]

How do you know they didn't circle to 33?

Brilliant!!! I should have thought of that. I know you've been in there a number of times. How many jets have you seen circle to 33. Would you say more or less than zero?

I apologize if you were being sarcastic and I missed it.

 

[gunfyter]

More than zero....

 

[hammer2]

I would expect a call from the FAA if I flew 505BC, LXJ339, 124TF, 7HB, or 312SB into ASE. Hopefully these crews failed to notice the winds to runway 15 and didn't knowingly land with that tailwind. 10 knot tailwind limitation is there for a reason.

METAR KASE 051953Z 31016G30KT

Posting tail#s on a public forum isn't kosher a$$hole!

 

[Sparse]

Posting tail#s on a public forum isn't kosher a$$hole!

The tail numbers were posted by the guilty on a Live ATC.net rebroadcast of the crews transmissions. If you land in ase with tailwinds of 25 knots you deserve to have your tail number posted.

 

[EngineThunder]

Posting tail#s on a public forum isn't kosher a$$hole!

Nothing you couldn't find in 2 seconds on flightaware.com.

 

[208starcheck]

Posting tail#s on a public forum isn't kosher a$$hole!

I tried to edit my post but couldn't. If you want that info kept secret, you'll have to take it up with flightaware.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KASE

 

[hammer2]

I'll edit my post if it makes you feel better but if you want that info kept secret, you'll have to take it up with flightaware.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KASE

No, I was wrong, I apologies.

 

[hawkerfun]

You do NOT circle to land at Aspen. Unless your single engine. There is not enough room.

 

[ProFracPilot]

You do NOT circle to land at Aspen. Unless your single engine. There is not enough room.

Not true. I know a Pt 91 GIV crew that specifically trained for circling east, although they only did it Day/VFR. Also, one of the Dash-8 operators used to do it frequently.

 

[J.Otto]

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[gutshotdraw]

You do NOT circle to land at Aspen. Unless your single engine. There is not enough room.

I've circled into RWY 33 at Aspen. Of course, I was in the back of a Dash-8 coming in from Denver. Scared the bejeezus out of me. Can't imagine doing it in a jet.

In regards to this incident, don't forget that when the wind is strong out of the west to northwest, that little valley to your right just before RWY 15 creates a BRUTAL little rotor wind-shear. If this Mexican crew was new to operating at ASE, that is a HUGE gotcha.

Always a sad day for our industry when something like this happens.

 

[gunfyter]

I've seen a Lear and a citation circle

 

[Sparse]

I would guess if you were 91 and accepted a visual to 33 you would be legal. It might be foolish but I guess it would be legal.

 

[DA10]

So do those that circle to 33 make a right - hand pattern? I can't imagine a left downwind/base - it seems you would be snagging skiers off of the lift.

 

[Pervis]

When I lived in PHX I airlined to ASE on Sky West. I woke up to a radical dive through a broken layer to circle to 33. Oh what fun, and I would never do that in a jet.

 

[gunfyter]

I never saw the maneuver ... I just saw the landing rollout as i was inside the FBO.

It would be interesting to hear from the ATC guys how often it happens

Oh also talked to the crew once and told them we don't circle

 

[Sparse]

So do those that circle to 33 make a right - hand pattern? I can't imagine a left downwind/base - it seems you would be snagging skiers off of the lift.

I think I saw a dash do it
Once and if I recall it was a right downwind to 33.

 

[chqflyer]

When I lived in PHX I airlined to ASE on Sky West. I woke up to a radical dive through a broken layer to circle to 33. Oh what fun, and I would never do that in a jet.

Republic tried to operate 190's into ASE before the FAA said ******************** no!

 

[hammer2]

I think I saw a dash do it
Once and if I recall it was a right downwind to 33.

You're correct, it was right. I saw a Dash do it too.

 

[FRACTRASH]

I circled many times in the Bravo about 8 years ago. Right traffic and a non event. Looks intimidating, but you have more room then you would expect. I watched a BA146 circle a few time as well.

 

[LJ45]

I've landed on 33 also in a Lear 45. Not something for the faint of heart, new to type or with poor stick and rudder skills...etc

 

[gunfyter]

See told ya ... a Lear and a Citation

 

[Semore Butts]

Yeah, I've done it in the Lear 60 at ASE. (In 2001-2002)

Sure seemed safer then bucking a hefty tailwind. (Used to be fairly common I thought? I just figured the locals complained about the noise and they quit?)
(And yes, it was circle East for a right downwind)

Also, I have never encountered a fixed wing aircraft that had other than a 10 knot tail wind limit? (Uh-60 Blackhawk, different story!)

 

[SENECAII]

Never did it in the actual aircraft but I remember doing the circle to 33 in the ce680 initial and recurrent for the stick and rudder.May have been the instructors favorite demo or something.

 

[Sparse]

I circled many times in the Bravo about 8 years ago. Right traffic and a non event. Looks intimidating, but you have more room then you would expect. I watched a BA146 circle a few time as well.

I am pretty sure I saw a 146 do it also.

 

[hammer2]

I saw a B-52 do it...with just 7 engines!