Pinnacle's new toy?

[Napoleon TNT]

Read on another board from a NWA person... (Also known as "NWA Dude" to you Pinnacle types)

Parking 30 DC-9's between now and December...........

mechanics may strike............
F/A's may strike.................
Fuel may hit 70 per barrel.................
Pinnacle may buy ASA/Comair......................

Hehe!
How would the 10-20 year Comair folks like to be 'owned' by a 500 hour PNCL captain.

If they merge lists, who would get the upper hand?

All speculation...

 

[PCL_128]

This just has to be flamebait!

 

[Napoleon TNT]

Full quote

Parking 30 DC-9's between now and December. At 5 crews per plane, we are overstaffed by 300 or so, but crew resources said with retirements they would rather be overstaffed than re-furlough, but...........



mechanics may strike............

F/A's may strike.................

Fuel may hit 70 per barrel.................

Pinnacle may buy ASA/Comair......................



NWA will be in bankruptcy by April 2006 and then the contract will look similar to UAL's and AAA's. When that happens, expect another 1000 or so furloughs with the loss of duty rigs, capt. augmentation, capt. instuctors, bid schedule guarantee. NWA's trip to bankruptcy will be alot shorter than everyone else's/ Our big problem is the pension, we dump that we are good to go........NWA's money men have great connections and can get DIP financing and exit financing at the drop of a hat. Sucks for us.......



Living the dream and hating it.

No flame intended...

Just amused at the irony

 

[Detroitpilot22]

what happens if?

when NWA does announce more furloughs, is it like American where those pilots were given jobs at Eagle? Basically what im asking is will NWA pilots be given jobs at Mesaba and pinnacle?

 

[blackbox]

when NWA does announce more furloughs, is it like American where those pilots were given jobs at Eagle? Basically what im asking is will NWA pilots be given jobs at Mesaba and pinnacle?

NO, there is no flowback agreement at Pinnacle and I am pretty sure there isnt one at Mesaba either.

I've heard that they have been planning to park the DC-9s for a long time now. Its not anything new.

 

[PCL_128]

when NWA does announce more furloughs, is it like American where those pilots were given jobs at Eagle? Basically what im asking is will NWA pilots be given jobs at Mesaba and pinnacle?

We don't have any sort of flowback agreement, but back in '02 we offered preferential interviews to any NWA furloughee that wanted it. I think we only got about 30-40 interested and most of them are still here as Captains now. I would guess that the same thing would be offered if NWA furloughed again, but nothing's certain.

 

[FedEx1]

Napoleon


Guys above me on any seniority list don't "own me." Gimme a break.

P.S. I did vote for Pedro.

 

[Pilot877]

That's gay

PCL captains can't have 500 hours. They wouldn't meet ATP requirements.

The DC-9 is supposted to be the bread and butter of NWA, why would they retire airplanes that are paid for, unless the airframes are going to time out. What are they "supposedly" going to replace them with? RJ's?

PCL, ASA, and CMR are all ALPA represented pilot groups. In the unlikely event that they would merge, it wouldn't be a staple job like AA/TWA. The standard is to merge one for one by date of hire. Maybe there would be a fence to protect both pilot groups that would keep them operating separately. In that case, it would probably be better for a lot of the PCL pilots, since they seem to be a relatively junior pilot group compared to CMR and ASA who have a lot of lifers.

All of the above are highly unlikely, in my opinion. But who would have guessed that ACA would shed UAL and start Independence?

 

[Yudso]

NWA is retiring 30 DC-9's. Mesaba is recieving 15 CRJ's with dibs on the next 20 for a total of 35. Coincidence? I think not. The big advantage to NW is that they are shutting down the heavy maint. for the DC-9. Somewhere around 900 mechs are getting furloughed.

 

[410dude]

PCL captains can't have 500 hours. They wouldn't meet ATP requirements.

The DC-9 is supposted to be the bread and butter of NWA, why would they retire airplanes that are paid for, unless the airframes are going to time out. What are they "supposedly" going to replace them with? RJ's?

PCL, ASA, and CMR are all ALPA represented pilot groups. In the unlikely event that they would merge, it wouldn't be a staple job like AA/TWA. The standard is to merge one for one by date of hire. Maybe there would be a fence to protect both pilot groups that would keep them operating separately. In that case, it would probably be better for a lot of the PCL pilots, since they seem to be a relatively junior pilot group compared to CMR and ASA who have a lot of lifers.

All of the above are highly unlikely, in my opinion. But who would have guessed that ACA would shed UAL and start Independence?

You are GROSSLY misinformed about ALPA merger policy. It is no longer date of hire. It goes by career expectation and since Comair's expectations now are not good (owned by a soon to be bankrupt Delta) and ours is much greater, we should make out quite well in any "merger" with Comair.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

The DC-9 is supposted to be the bread and butter of NWA, why would they retire airplanes that are paid for, unless the airframes are going to time out. What are they "supposedly" going to replace them with? RJ's?

And they were the "bread and butter" for NWA when they were paying rock bottom prices for fuel. Now that fuel is at record prices, it's much cheaper to park these aircraft then to keep flying them and suck fuel down at a 1960's-jet pace. Oh, wait, they are a 1960's jet. Maybe they will be replaced with RJs... Maybe not. And who will fly what??? Who knows....

In addition, by them parking these aircraft, management can justify the closure of selected maintenance bases due to lack of aircraft. A useful tactic while in heated negotiations with a steadfast mechanic's union.

 

[Wacopilot]

uuuuhhhhhhh.......

I bet NWA is bankrupt before Delta...Plus, PCL doesn't have the cash to buy CMR...... and as much heat as their training dept is under(pcl) I don't think they will be buying anyone until they pay all the fines for fake type ratings and crappy training records.

Enjoy.

Waco

 

[FN FAL]

I bet NWA is bankrupt before Delta...Plus, PCL doesn't have the cash to buy CMR...... and as much heat as their training dept is under(pcl) I don't think they will be buying anyone until they pay all the fines for fake type ratings and crappy training records.

Enjoy.

Waco

Sorry for the dumb question, but if Pinnacle is owned lock stock and barrel by NWA, how could they go out and just BUY another airline?

 

[ThisistheDream]

I will take the MSP base and the Comair contract anyday. please buy comair pinnacle

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Sorry for the dumb question, but if Pinnacle is owned lock stock and barrel by NWA, how could they go out and just BUY another airline?

They aren't majority owned by NWA anymore. I think there was an IPO sometime ago dealing with 9E.

 

[Dangerkitty]

In the unlikely event that they would merge, it wouldn't be a staple job like AA/TWA.

The AA/TWA deal was not a staple job. It may not be pretty on the TWA side but about 400-500 ex TWA pilots still have jobs.

The standard is to merge one for one by date of hire.

Are you an ALPA pilot? Read the ALPA merger policy. It does not work like that.
DOH is not the standard.

 

[Fit59]

You are GROSSLY misinformed about ALPA merger policy. It is no longer date of hire. It goes by career expectation and since Comair's expectations now are not good (owned by a soon to be bankrupt Delta) and ours is much greater, we should make out quite well in any "merger" with Comair.

I really want to comment but I won't... Though I will say this, DON'T GO TO 410, it's not that special... Really, I swear.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Pinnacle is now a public company. I think its PNCL on the market. As far a Pinnacle buying Comair, thats the funniest thing ive heard since hearing that Southwest was talking with us about becoming there feeder!

 

[PCL_128]

I really want to comment but I won't... Though I will say this, DON'T GO TO 410, it's not that special... Really, I swear.

He's just another troll.

 

[Fit59]

He's just another troll.

Okay tool

 

[inthegoo]

Losers!

I am embarrased that I am in the same profession as all you "410" morons!

PCL pilots have some penis-envy esque type fascination with 410, they have some club that they are in if they have been to 410, pretty effin tool bag-ish!

You losers are dangerous in the cockpit!

C ya,

Goo

 

[inthegoo]

My parents asked if I would get them passes for a NWA round trip, when I realized it was operated by PCL, I saw images of 2 young/green CFI's in the front of a CRJ saying to each other, "what does this button do?"


Seriously though, its the old acid test question, "would I put my wife/family on the a/c?" NO EFFIN WAY!

Sorry PCL children!

-Goo

 

[Rook]

My parents asked if I would get them passes for a NWA round trip, when I realized it was operated by PCL, I saw images of 2 young/green CFI's in the front of a CRJ saying to each other, "what does this button do?"


Seriously though, its the old acid test question, "would I put my wife/family on the a/c?" NO EFFIN WAY!

Sorry PCL children!

-Goo

Some guys look at internet porn, others....well here's a good example...DUDE.

 

[blackbox]

My parents asked if I would get them passes for a NWA round trip, when I realized it was operated by PCL, I saw images of 2 young/green CFI's in the front of a CRJ saying to each other, "what does this button do?"


Seriously though, its the old acid test question, "would I put my wife/family on the a/c?" NO EFFIN WAY!

Sorry PCL children!

-Goo

you're an idiot

 

[PCL_128]

Okay tool

Okay douche

 

[DoinTime]

I am embarrased that I am in the same profession as all you "410" morons!

PCL pilots have some penis-envy esque type fascination with 410, they have some club that they are in if they have been to 410, pretty effin tool bag-ish!

You losers are dangerous in the cockpit!

C ya,

Goo

This 410 club didn't start at PCL. I, nor anyone I know here, had ever heard of the 410 club until the NTSB brought it up.

 

[Pilot877]

You are GROSSLY misinformed about ALPA merger policy. It is no longer date of hire. It goes by career expectation and since Comair's expectations now are not good (owned by a soon to be bankrupt Delta) and ours is much greater, we should make out quite well in any "merger" with Comair.

Are you an ALPA pilot? Read the ALPA merger policy. It does not work like that.
DOH is not the standard.

Geez, you are really cool! Anyway, the official ALPA merger policy does not actually mention a one for one seniority integration, it is a process of meditation and possibly arbitration,so I stand corrected. Since you guys wouldn't post the actual policy, here it is for anybody who wants to know:

1. The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all the equities inherent in their merger situation. In joint session, the merger representatives should attempt to match equities to various methods of integration until a fair and equitable agreement is reached, keeping in mind the following goals, in no particular order:

a. Preserve jobs.

b. Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the other.

c. Maintain or improve pre‑merger pay and standard of living.

d. Maintain or improve pre‑merger pilot status.

e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Geez, you are really cool!

If knowing about the ALPA merger policy makes you cool then I guess I am Miles Davis.

 

[Lear70]

I think all of you need a "time out".

Red Tail did say that in the "Majors" forum, but wouldn't respond when I questioned him/her about it a couple days ago.

Personally, I think he heard a rumor and just perpetuated it on the message board fishing for more info.

Pinnacle probably DOES have the cash on hand to buy another regional, although it would leave us with very little operating capital, but that's not the stated focus of our management group.

They seriously want to form a *************************s operation and bid on flying with some other carrier; they state their "desire" to use our pilots "IF" we can come to a "realistic" bargaining agreement. *cough* BULLSH*T!

Putting money in my strike fund every pay period... we're going to need it if we're not going to bend over and take it.

Edit one: has anyone else noticed that now the Blowjets use of their actual name is considered an expletive on this forum? How interesting...

 

[Dangerkitty]

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G0jet

Wow, your right! The above is a ************************* and of course the second G0jet using a zero.

Why is that considered an expletive?