Pinnacle's Delta Numbers!!!!

[DoinTime]

When was this? Pinnalce rates nor contract provisions were never better than ASA's, even under the old contract. Like I said, no ill will, but it is time to shed some DCI lift providers, and pinnacle needs to go!

I'm not saying anything at PCL is great but our 50 seat CA rates were better than your old rates. Its not because ours aren't that bad its that yours were terrible.

ASA old 50-seat CA pay:

54.46
56.08
57.78
59.50
61.29
63.13
64.39
66.32
68.31
70.36
72.47
74.64
76.89
79.20
81.57


PCL current 50 CA pay:

55.07
56.76
58.51
60.31
62.14
63.96
65.52
67.42
69.62
71.62
73.68
75.80
77.96
80.21
82.37

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Its one thing to be giddy about the Mesa deal, but to gloat about Pinnacle is a bit different.

These guys flying the aircraft may deserve some harrasment, but isnt the pilot group as a whole pretty much standing up to management in a contract battle?

Much like ASA did until last year.

I'm sure youll correct me if im wrong.

Medeco

I am sure there are some Skywest biatches drooling over flying the -900 for $60 an hour (CA) and $22 and hour (FO). Keep lowering the bar!

 

[Baronman]

Hows about you guys work on getting good pay rates on the 900, then work on getting them on property. Guys like you wondering if you could get Peanuckles 900 should take a good look at what you could be making on it before you worry about getting them.

 

[outtahere]

Hows about you guys work on getting good pay rates on the 900, then work on getting them on property. Guys like you wondering if you could get Peanuckles 900 should take a good look at what you could be making on it before you worry about getting them.

To whom is your post addressed?

 

[McNugent]

It was only a few months ago that ASA payscales were below PCL's and you have the stones to hold yourself up on a pedestal? We have been working under this horse******************** contract for almost 9 years now. The reason we don't have new one is because we will not sell out. Once GW's cronies get out of the White House we will get the leverage we need to secure the contract we deserve.

Say what? I don't remember our payscales being below yours a couple months ago. OK the captains side it was like a buck or less. But the FO scale is reminiscent of dare I say MESA???? Oh that's right your's is worse than MESA. And not to rehash old news but you are flying CRJ 900's on a payscale far below that of our old friend MESA!

 

[CRJ puppy]

9E owns those 900s, it was part of the deal. IF DAL pulls the plug, the boys on Nonconnah will try to sell service to someone else. Painters be ready.

Actually, at the close of fiscal year 2007, they were on the Delta books along with all the Comair planes.

Read it myself on the financial disclosures on the DeltaNet website.

Have a nice Delta Connection Day.

 

[Future Furlough]

The reason we don't have new one is because we will not sell out. Once GW's cronies get out of the White House we will get the leverage we need to secure the contract we deserve.

You won't have to worry about that if McCain wins.

 

[Windsor]

Say what? I don't remember our payscales being below yours a couple months ago. OK the captains side it was like a buck or less. But the FO scale is reminiscent of dare I say MESA???? Oh that's right your's is worse than MESA. And not to rehash old news but you are flying CRJ 900's on a payscale far below that of our old friend MESA!

The company came at us with low ball rates for the -900 and we told them to shove it up their arses. When the arbitrators rates come out, we will get FULL BACK PAY!!!

You talk $hit like its the pilots fault we are still being paid -200 rates. Its not like we had the power or ability to tell mismangement we did not want to fly the -900's. If it were up to the pilot group, we would have had industry leading pay and a new contract before these planes ever were on property.

And yes, our FO rates are insulting across the board..

 

[SilverandSore]

I regret walking with you guys in Atlanta, you're all a bunch of Riddle tool bags!

Not that I can defend some of the Riddle tool bags, 'cause they are tool boxes, but at least they got some high altitude aerodynamics knowledge! Dude!

 

[ILander]

I would say they go to Comair or Skywest before ASA. JMO.

 

[Striptyler]

The company came at us with low ball rates for the -900 and we told them to shove it up their arses. When the arbitrators rates come out, we will get FULL BACK PAY!!!

You talk $hit like its the pilots fault we are still being paid -200 rates. Its not like we had the power or ability to tell mismangement we did not want to fly the -900's. If it were up to the pilot group, we would have had industry leading pay and a new contract before these planes ever were on property.

And yes, our FO rates are insulting across the board..

Kinda funny that a colgan 2nd yr 1900 FO makes more than a crj-200 FO of same year at Pinnacle... Sure it's only 2 bucks an hour, but really...

 

[Flyprdu]

I agree. Worst 2nd year FO 50 seat rate in the world. I am not kidding.

 

[Striptyler]

Guess it doesn't matter... Both the Colgan and pinnacle FO will either quit or upgrade before hitting the 2nd yr pay...

 

[FmrFreightDog]

And good for them, and I do support the efforts of everyone over there. This just happens to be one of those times in the industry that the only growth that will come is at the expense of someone else. It sucks, but it is what it is.

You need to think very carefully about that sentiment before you stand behind it. Sit back, take a deep breath, and think to yourself, "I will take ground beef off someone else's family table to put prime rib on mine." If you're really, honestly ok with that line of thinking then you have no business in this profession. What do you hope to gain if Pinnacle leaves the Delta family? A few more airplanes?? A slightly better schedule?? An extra flight attendant in the back to stroke your ego??

I was in a position to watch the ASA pilots sit back for far too long before finally stepping up to the plate and fighting, really fighting, for a new contract. I was there, fighting for a better contract, long before you ever set foot on property, I'm guessing. I'm now in a position to watch (albeit from afar) the Pinnacle pilots step up to the same plate. So far, I'm far more impressed with the Pinnacle pilots' resolve than I ever was with the ASA pilots' resolve. They have organized faster, gotten pissed off faster, and taken things into their own hands to make a difference faster than the ASA pilot group ever did.

The Pinnacle pilots aren't your problem. Mother D is. Do you honestly want those 900s so badly that you're willing to see another union pilot lose his or her job? I sincerely hope that we, as a profession, are not at this point. If we are, then this "profession" is lost.

Believe it or not, we as pilots actually used to look after each other instead of fighting for scraps. Management didn't break us down, we self-destructed. Sadly, lots of people have gotten rich off that self-destruction and not one of them knows how to fly an ILS, land in a crosswind, or analyze the suitability of a contaminated runway for landing. So.... when you publicly advertise your desire for Pinnacle to lose their Delta contract, exactly whose "best interests" are you looking after? Your own or those of the people who continue to make money off your naiveite an inexperience with the true nature of this business?

I don't mean to be harsh, but a small dose of historical perspective would do you a world of good.

 

[pilotdiscretion]

Not that I can defend some of the Riddle tool bags, 'cause they are tool boxes, but at least they got some high altitude aerodynamics knowledge! Dude!

Aside from the fact that it's in poor taste to bash a dead pilot who can't defend themselves you don't seem to know much about the accident.

Section 1.5.1 of the NTSB final report on the accident states that the captain was a graduate of ERAU and had received high altitude training. Dude.

 

[Windsor]

Well said FreightDog

 

[McNugent]

You need to think very carefully about that sentiment before you stand behind it. Sit back, take a deep breath, and think to yourself, "I will take ground beef off someone else's family table to put prime rib on mine." If you're really, honestly ok with that line of thinking then you have no business in this profession. What do you hope to gain if Pinnacle leaves the Delta family? A few more airplanes?? A slightly better schedule?? An extra flight attendant in the back to stroke your ego??

I was in a position to watch the ASA pilots sit back for far too long before finally stepping up to the plate and fighting, really fighting, for a new contract. I was there, fighting for a better contract, long before you ever set foot on property, I'm guessing. I'm now in a position to watch (albeit from afar) the Pinnacle pilots step up to the same plate. So far, I'm far more impressed with the Pinnacle pilots' resolve than I ever was with the ASA pilots' resolve. They have organized faster, gotten pissed off faster, and taken things into their own hands to make a difference faster than the ASA pilot group ever did.

The Pinnacle pilots aren't your problem. Mother D is. Do you honestly want those 900s so badly that you're willing to see another union pilot lose his or her job? I sincerely hope that we, as a profession, are not at this point. If we are, then this "profession" is lost.

Believe it or not, we as pilots actually used to look after each other instead of fighting for scraps. Management didn't break us down, we self-destructed. Sadly, lots of people have gotten rich off that self-destruction and not one of them knows how to fly an ILS, land in a crosswind, or analyze the suitability of a contaminated runway for landing. So.... when you publicly advertise your desire for Pinnacle to lose their Delta contract, exactly whose "best interests" are you looking after? Your own or those of the people who continue to make money off your naiveite an inexperience with the true nature of this business?

I don't mean to be harsh, but a small dose of historical perspective would do you a world of good.

If they were making some sweet coin on those things I don't think anyone would want to see them lose the flying. As a former ASA guy you should know what it feels like to get low balled by another carrier willing to work in your back yard for cheaper. That's exactly what Pinnacle has done, and it's flaunted in our face everyday right in front of our freakin crew lounge.

 

[Windsor]

If they were making some sweet coin on those things I don't think anyone would want to see them lose the flying. As a former ASA guy you should know what it feels like to get low balled by another carrier willing to work in your back yard for cheaper. That's exactly what Pinnacle has done, and it's flaunted in our face everyday right in front of our freakin crew lounge.

Again, you miss the point. Its not the pilots making the decisions to go out and start flying for other airlines, Mismanagement does. Our pilot group is pretty pissed about the ATL mess as well. To show our anger, pilots have stopped bidding for ATL. On our latest vacancy, the company couldnt fill all the open slots. If you're angry about 9E coming to ATL, come on down to MEM on May 1st and show Pinnacle's mismanagement you're pissed.

 

[WildBlue]

If they were making some sweet coin on those things I don't think anyone would want to see them lose the flying. As a former ASA guy you should know what it feels like to get low balled by another carrier willing to work in your back yard for cheaper. That's exactly what Pinnacle has done, and it's flaunted in our face everyday right in front of our freakin crew lounge.Today 09:35
How do YOU know what it pays to fly those things at Pinnacle. Nobody knows because the issue was sent to an arbitrator. Once the arbitrator publishes his ruling, every pilot gets back pay. At least give us credit for not accepting management's low-ball offer and exercising our contractual right to send it to an arbitrator.

At least we have some say in how much we are paid. The system isn't working too well with Bush, but that can change. Some DCI pilots have absolutely no say at all.

 

[McNugent]

That's fine and great you are going to the arbitrator. I'm just giving reasons why you aren't welcomed to ATL with arms open from the ASA people. All we see you as is another carrier put in place that's eating away at business that at one point not too long ago happened to be that of ASA and some Comair.

So we've gone from 2 DCI carriers to 6 or 7 in the course of just over a year. How would you like it if ASA showed up in MEM DTW and MSP with a bunch of new airplanes after you had been stagnant for years?