Pinnacle upgrade less than ONE year.

[XJohXJ]

Which base were they awarded?

 

[Tram]

With the street captain hirings, will new hires who get the required time, still upgrade? I would think so, and that is what causes the street captain to sit on reserve all the time?

 

[flyf15]

With the street captain hirings, will new hires who get the required time, still upgrade? I would think so, and that is what causes the street captain to sit on reserve all the time?

FOs on the list keep upgrading as they get the required time for upgrade. Every one that does goes above the street CA on the CA list for a very long time... in Pinnacle's case, 2-3 years. This means that all the new CAs from the FO list are senior to the street CAs. Street CAs stay at the bottom of the CA senority list until their senority "catches up" with that of the mainstream FOs upgrading. Since they're at the bottom of the list, they get reserve.

 

[bertengineer]

And so it starts. 4-6 months of street CA hiring, all of them sitting reserve 3-4 years.

Enjoy.

Hey Rich...I will take 3-4 year res at Capt pay. Trying to feed a family on FO pay sucks! And no...the airline nor the Marine Corps did not issue me a family so I put myself into that situation!

 

[ataopsdave]

I do not see them with a class date yet! Earlier I stated 16 per class...well it is 14 per class so there are more that do not have class dates.....

This is updated......They are right. 2 street capt. Seniotiry is in the 12XX
Good for them!

One of them is a pos...he used to be a fo here and left to go to that alter ego in STL and is now back as a street captain...look at his id number...you will know which one I am talking about

 

[Flyer1015]

GoJets?

 

[Lear70]

Hey Rich...I will take 3-4 year res at Capt pay. Trying to feed a family on FO pay sucks! And no...the airline nor the Marine Corps did not issue me a family so I put myself into that situation!

Sooner or later most of us put ourselves in that situation, myself included.

I just got my last 1st year F/O paycheck, and with a family of 4 it's impossible to make ends meet without an outside job.

PCL F/O pay is HALF that; I would NEVER have gone to PCL on an F/O payscale, and I don't understand how anyone CAN unless they still live with their parents or married and their spouse makes great $$$.

Incidentally, I wasn't dispariaging the street captains (I was one), I was simply saying that reserve for YEARS at PCL is a quick way to lose your sanity. I was at the breaking point about year 3 and simply called in sick for one 5-day rotation every 2 or 3 months.

I WAS sick... mental fatigue is just as dangerous as anything else and I was so burned out it was affecting my CRM skills on the flight deck.

Didn't care about the loss of pay once my sick bank was depleted. Got my doctor's note and simply handed it in. Knowing I'd sue them for wrongful termination, they just left me alone.

NO JOB is worth the loss of QOL you suffer as a PCL reserve pilot. If you live in domicile, it's not bad. If you don't, I'd highly suggest someone looked somewhere else for employment.

 

[mcjohn]

If I was thinking about applying and commuting out of AVL, would it be impossible?

 

[machaf]

One of them is a pos...he used to be a fo here and left to go to that alter ego in STL and is now back as a street captain...look at his id number...you will know which one I am talking about

Mr. Marc Hill? Scab huh?

 

[pilotdiscretion]

If I was thinking about applying and commuting out of AVL, would it be impossible?

Depends on your idea of commuting. When Pinnacle has the computer build trips it uses the formula of most block hours per duty period(read cheapest crew costs possible or minimum staffing). I'll speak about Detroit. This formula means that most trips start at 8am and end around 8pm with almost eight hours of block time per duty period. You reach 30 hours in seven days and 95 hours in the calendar month quicker so this yields more days off but it means you have to commute in the night before and AVL only has one shot to get home the day your trip ends. There are some flights that start late and finish early allowing you to commute the day you work but these are rare. They also reduce the total days off. Expect to spend a few nights in domicile but have more days at home.

Based on flights available between AVL and DTW there are only two right now with the NWA code. We are flying on reduced schedules due to the bankruptcy and the frequency between cities is expected to increase when they exit BK protection. If the NWA flights are unavailable then you can go to CVG on the DAL code or CLE on the CAL code. Once you're in either of those hub cities the number of flights to DTW jumps dramatically since all three airlines are in bed together.

 

[Lear70]

What PD said is completely accurate, except your profile indicates the BE40 and C550 which means you have some jet time as well. If a good amount of that is PIC, you *might* qualify as a street CA, and then you'd be on reserve.

Different ball of wax. Reserve is "almost" always commutable. Downside is it's just 10 days off every month... which, if you're used to being home, is a BIG slap in the face after the newness wears off.

But yeah, anything in the country within a 3 hour flight of the hub (pick one) is commutable on reserve, unless they change the line construction to all Home Reserve and make it start at 0700 or something goofy.

p.s. Bribery works well in Crew Scheduling. Pizza deliveries, cases of Tequila, all those things go over pretty well to make sure you get a lot of trips on your schedule and reserve periods removed, making your life a LOT easier.

Not that I'd know anything about that.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

p.s. Bribery works well in Crew Scheduling. Pizza deliveries, cases of Tequila, all those things go over pretty well to make sure you get a lot of trips on your schedule and reserve periods removed, making your life a LOT easier.

Not that I'd know anything about that.

Wow..... I don't know where to begin...... except that....that practice has been termed "terminating" of ones employment in the scheduling dept.

Do you get your case of tequila back of another pilot puts in a better offer to manipulate his schedule?

 

[arthompson]

Wow! Well at least J.M. will finally get some seniority.:beer:

JK in MSP is actually the most junior CA currently on the list

 

[BOHICAgain]

I do not see them with a class date yet! Earlier I stated 16 per class...well it is 14 per class so there are more that do not have class dates.....

This is updated......They are right. 2 street capt. Seniotiry is in the 12XX
Good for them!

Dec of 04 there was 5 new hires in my class that got straight left seat. They wont give them class dates they have to go like other new hire through initial and when its time for the Oral and Sim, they get the captain oral and get to enjoy the sim in the left seat. Out of those 5 that got the bid only 2 passed all the way to the line both of those were Captains at other regionals so its not that easy....good luck to the one's that got it

 

[skyaddict]

Wow! Well at least J.M. will finally get some seniority.:beer:

Mitch is still there?! (I figured the street capts. would all be out shortly after hitting 1000 or 1300 turbine PIC). I am very happy to see the last couple or so Flyi holdouts (those of us who missed the street capt. cutoff when the upgrades ended) finally get their reward after the rest of us bailed (I bailed at 8 months). They sure did end up paying dues.

 

[DTWFO]

p.s. Bribery works well in Crew Scheduling. Pizza deliveries, cases of Tequila, all those things go over pretty well to make sure you get a lot of trips on your schedule and reserve periods removed, making your life a LOT easier.

Not that I'd know anything about that.

Once again....I will say, this is exactly what is wrong here, (9E). Although you don't work here anymore...people that kiss a.. and bribe people f.... over everyone else that is trying to play by the rules. I'm not bitter, I just refuse to sell all of my other fellow pilots out to get ahead; which is exactly what people like you did/do. It makes everyone else's lives miserable and it is wrong.

 

[Lear70]

OK, let me get this straight.

Sending some pizzas to crew scheduling so that when a trip becomes available, I'm on it rather than sitting in my crashpad on reserve, is "selling all of my other fellow pilots out to get ahead"?

Me? The one who went out on a limb HOW many times trying to get PCL's wretched scheduling practices yanked in line by the FAA? "Selling people out"? WAY wrong tree, buddy...

But let's break it down:

Did I take a trip AWAY from someone? Nope. It was put into open time because someone ELSE dropped it or called in sick.

Did anyone get extended or junior manned because of it? Nope.

Did I violate the contract? Nope.

Please explain EXACTLY how EVERYONE else's lives are miserable because of that?

Be specific. EVERYONE at PCL suffered because of this EXACTLY how?

Yeah, you're not bitter.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

You are a company man lear, Admit it:laugh:

Relax man, breath in and out............ Think a happy place!

 

[SELCAL checks]

Rich,

Did you ever do any research into whether or not your bribery resulted in a more senior pilot on the "call first" list being bypassed?

Seems like "every attempt" by crew scheduling to abide by the call first/call last list might have involved simply opening a pizza box and dialing your number - instead of consulting the list.

Not knocking ya, bro... you brought it up.

Hope life is well at AirTran.

 

[DTWFO]

Because as a result of you "sending pizzas" to scheduling, they go through the stack of pick up requests and who do you think they are going to award the open time to?? The guy that just bribed them, or the guy that hasn't given them anything?? If you think they really care what order they approve requests in, then you are dreaming. That's what I'm saying. No one else is able to get anything approved because there is someone like you stepping on their feet to get ahead.