Pinnacle reject letter

[Rook]

More like the first couple of yearsNice try to turn this into a 'i got a hotel during training and you didn't thread'

Rook

 

[Whirlwind]

Take your pity-party to someone with less experience--we all worked our way up working for dirtbags. Ask yourself how long you want to be someones b!tch because you are "paying your dues"--with your attitude I guess 747 captains shoud "be grateful" and fly for free. Grow up. Hungry young boys like you are why FOs get paid what they do--and can't support a family.

I do agree with you completely, but...

The reality of the situation, one in which we all must accept, is that nothing you or I say will change the supply and demand situation.

Yes, hungry young kids who will work for what might as well be nothing are indeed driving down the wages in this business.

I am the captain of a brand new thirty-million dollar jet with state of the art avionics. I am a professional. When I sign my release I take responsibility for that ship, my crew, and fifty lives in the back. You want my job? You better understand my job first. Driving an airplane is a small part of it.

Again, I agree... The problem is that while you're a professional, your pay is still going to be driven by supply and demand.

If there were suddenly 100,000 more dentists in this country, you'd see the rates they charge go down pretty quickly, as they all scrambled to chase after the fairly fixed amount of dental work there is to be done.

You certainly will--straight up your @ss if you let management. Just don't expect me to hold your hand or go along for the ride because you are eager to fly the "big planes".

I think we've all taken it right up there, and a long time ago. This battle was lost before I was born I'm afraid.

And yet, I'm still here, because I love to fly... I must be crazy...

 

[Rook]

We're all crazy Whirlwind. Nice post.

Rook

 

[Mtnjam]

Save?? Yeah right

Save money for training at Pinnacle?? Yeah about 500 dollars. I plan on eating Ramen nootles and telling all my creditors that they are out of luck for awhile. I unfortunatly don't have a mother and father to run and beg money from. I Can even sleep in my car and get a shower at a truck stop. I've been a full time CFI for the last 2 years. It doesn't allow a person to save money, oh and by the way what a bunch of hateful miserable people on this website leaving nasty posting's. The 747 Pilot is just too cool........ Wish I could have my underwear that tight up my *$&!!!! Folks need to chill out around here

 

[g159av8tor]

Favorite joke: What's the difference between a new-hire FO and a bucket of chicken? A bucket of chicken can feed a family of four.

One of those rare occasions on this board where I laughed out loud and farted. I gotta remember that one!

Mtnjam, here is some sage advice: your passion for flying and alotta luck got you this far in your short career. Flying is how you now pay the bills, but your passion for flying is what you need to remember to get you through the worst of days. If you can't remember that, you'll be as bitter as they come in a few years.

Tailwinds...

 

[dollacrackho]

wow pilots really are stupid, me included. yet another trained chimp to join the ranks. 18 grand a year, YES , no pay for the first two months on the job, hell yeah sounds good. live in my car and shower at a truck stop, SWEEEEEETTTT. am i really part of this cult of morons?
oh, yeah i guess i am. its lucky i already have no respect for myself and extremely low self esteem. i am going to personally forward your post to JO over at mesa. he'll be glad to know the pipeline of idiots has not run dry yet.

 

[fogrunner]

Oh boy Mtnjam. I wish you well. Review your posts a year from now and see how you feel.

My first regional job was flying a J32. I thought I had died and gone to heaven (all that multi turbine time). Come to think of it I nearly did die on a few occassions, whether I would have gone to heaven is open to argument.
Be thankful and humble that with your time, you are going to a nice jet with a door and Flight Attendant. Cut the senior guys some slack, they deserve it. You will come to realize it becomes a fight and it wears on you. Talk to a few of my ATA buddies who are captains who may well be out of work shortly. Quote from a friend of mine who flew at CHQ, ATA and got furloughed from US Air, then flew checks at night in an MU2, went back to CHQ as an RJ FO and now is doing some corporate gig, "it is a great job, and a lousy career".

BTW, I work for a great company, and fly a great a/c.

to the senior Pin guys good luck to you all.

 

[flagshipper]

You guys talk about young kids willing to work for anything yet in all the classes i have seen at 9e the average age is in the high 20s to low 30s. Everybody regardless of age accepts the pay in anticipation of better things. Will it come? probably not. But seniority does inherently eventually provide a better quality of life with better pay. The MEM lines do suck and are tough to commute on but MSP and especially detroit lines are commuter friendly as long as you are not commuting between hubs. 9e growth is about to stop dead in its tracks and if i was offered class now i would not take it because when the growth stops you better clean you backside because on reserve you will get it hard 365 days a year from scheduling. The airplane is great but that is probably the least important thing at pncl

 

[Lear70]

Actually, MSP lines suck too lately. For a quick look at commutability, download the MSP lines into Sollinger's bid program and select a commute from just about anywhere that won't get you into the domicile before 0900 and see how much pink is at the beginning and end of each trip. I commute from Nashville and got my 37th choice, 11 original days off, 5 trips sequences, 5 original nights in domicile, but with the uncommutability it drops to 6 actual days off and 10 nights in domicile (hotel needed) if you DON'T count getting hotels on high-speeds (14 hotels if you do), and I'm about #100 of 150 on the CA list.

DTW still looks pretty good and given the commutability issues and the fact that our a/c deliveries will stop in May, I'm going to stop base hopping in March when I get back into DTW.

 

[peghead]

Listen,



I don’t me to sound like a di*khead…..but you’re the same fool who will vote in a Contract that Pays FO’s 20K Dude pull your head out of your bunghole. You sound just like most idiots in their first 3 months of work. Why don’t you come back on this board in June and tell us how much fun it is to suck gear in a “cool RJ”. Gimme a Break!

 

[peghead]

Listen,

I don’t me to sound like a di*khead…..but you’re the same fool who will vote in a Contract that Pays FO’s 20K Dude pull your head out of your bunghole. You sound just like most idiots in their first 3 months of work. Why don’t you come back on this board in June and tell us how much fun it is to suck gear in a “cool RJ”. Gimme a Break!

 

[Mtnjam]

to be young or not young?

Yes somebody is right when they said it's not just the young guys taking and accepting the pay at current airlines. I'm 6 months away from turning 30 and about 4 of the other guys I interviewed with were around late 30's and I think one or two of them may have been 40. So everyone is doing it and it is truly ashame that companies can do this to pilots. Everytime I go out somewhere and people say, "what do you do for a living." They automatically think I make big $$. It's funny because if they only knew. Many times I have considered throwin' in the towel and say I'll take the Airport Supervisor jobs and work my way to Airport Manager because those actually pay!! But would I be happy?? Hard to say.
As far as commuting goes it seems as if Detroit would be the best city to be based from due to the amount of flights in and out of there. Getting from BWI to Detroit seems to be a piece of cake. Memphis on the other hand seems to be a real pain because there are only a few non-stop's and most of them route through Detroit.

 

[dondk]

BWI-DTW is not too bad, although you will have to join the ranks of the other commuters. The same commuters who are senior, work for NorthWest or know the CSR's by first name. Commuting is more of an art than a science.

BWI is also known for weight critical and oversold flights. Do a bit of research before stating a "piece of cake". Heck MCO could be a piece of cake if you know how to work the system.

Regardless, I have listened to the rants of Mtnjam and agree with some of my colleagues. PNCL is not too bad, but you need to "tone it down". A first regional job is more of a humbling experience than anything else. You will realize how little you really really know and how much you need to learn. Contracts, schedules, policies and procedures, and most importantly how to get comfortable with the dude in the left seat. A month can be a short time or a really long time, it depends on attitude.

Enjoy training, make sure your prepared and the 6-8 weeks in MEM is not easy doing it on a shoe string with the pressure of your first regional job.

As for additional growth, I agree to disagree with my colleagues... a "few" more are coming beyond the 129, but not enough to keep us going much past the summer. The music is winding down and I feel for those who will be hired early next year..