Pinnacle pilots!

[Smarta$$]

I have heard a few pilots trying to recruit new pilots for the bonus money. Realize that the only leverage we have right now to get a new contract is the difficulty management is having finding new pilots.

DO NOT help them until they give us a contract. Your retro pay and salary raise will be worth more than this stupid bonus....

This company does not give ANYTHING away that they do not have to. They obviously can't get enough applications, so do not help them.

Management has been backtracking in negotiations. Things they had already agreed to are being backpedal'd. Negotiations are going backwards. Management thinks they are wearing us down, but it only makes me more angry. And my expectations go up the longer this takes.

For those even thinking about this place, They told me in the interview over a year ago that the contract is almost done. They lie. It is still way off and getting further.

Further evidence of their pilot shortage is the increase to FO training pay to 400 per week. The best part is that when you pass your checkride, you take a pay cut. Our salary is actually lower than the training pay now. What a joke.

Stay away until they sign a contract that brings FO's off the bottom of the industry and don't fall for their lies in the interview.

Sorry, I am very frustrated.

 

[Dharmesh1231]

Pinnacle was at a career show at the Marine Corps Air Station in AZ. They told me they are looking at guys with 1000tt and 200 multi. Anything less than that has to be approved by the chief pilot. I was abt to tell the recruiter he must be smoking something really good if he's looking to get someone at such high times while every other regional's hiring at the minimum requirement of having a pulse.

 

[Smarta$$]

Pinnacle was at a career show at the Marine Corps Air Station in AZ. They told me they are looking at guys with 1000tt and 200 multi. Anything less than that has to be approved by the chief pilot. I was abt to tell the recruiter he must be smoking something really good if he's looking to get someone at such high times while every other regional's hiring at the minimum requirement of having a pulse.

They want people to Pay 30 grand for a RJ transition course or buy a type rating in an airplane that has nothing to do with a CRJ to get the lower mins.

I think 1000 hours should be the minimum for ANY airline job though.

 

[Andrew_VT]

I have 1200TT, CFII MEI, but only 20ME and PCL HR sent me an email asking "do you have more than 20 hours of multi yet?"

WTF, they hire people with a wet commercial multi ticket but they want me to have more multi? Just trying to make sense of this...

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

I have 1200TT, CFII MEI, but only 20ME and PCL HR sent me an email asking "do you have more than 20 hours of multi yet?"

WTF, they hire people with a wet commercial multi ticket but they want me to have more multi? Just trying to make sense of this...

They shouldn't even require the multi rating. You could just get signed off during your sim and then your SIC checkride could also be your CMEL checkride.

Who cares about multi time? It's really not that important anyway.

HAHAHA!

 

[relief tube]

don't go to PNCL, hold out for better

 

[flyphish]

I have 1200TT, CFII MEI, but only 20ME and PCL HR sent me an email asking "do you have more than 20 hours of multi yet?"

WTF, they hire people with a wet commercial multi ticket but they want me to have more multi? Just trying to make sense of this...

Well maybe you should just get more multi time then or just settle for mesa. stop crying and fix your own problem

 

[atr42flyer]

hey flyphish what is that in your avatar? looks like a 170 or 190 whos is it?

 

[Andrew_VT]

Well maybe you should just get more multi time then or just settle for mesa. stop crying and fix your own problem

I'm getting plenty of call backs actually. Are you suggesting PCL is so special that I should go out and drop 10 grand on a block of multi (or even get another job) for the priviledge of working for a company that would hire a 300 hour wonder over me? I know you're not, so stop sounding like a prick.

 

[vectorvictor]

I'm getting plenty of call backs actually. Are you suggesting PCL is so special that I should go out and drop 10 grand on a block of multi (or even get another job) for the priviledge of working for a company that would hire a 300 hour wonder over me? I know you're not, so stop sounding like a prick.

Don't want to pee on your parade but a few months back 1200 hours was low time. If I were in your shoes I would worry about myself and not the 300 hour wonders around you. Both of you probably know nothing. Get a job, get some real experience and some time to put in your log book and move on in your career. Get your 121 PIC turbine in the fastest way you can. Along the way keep your head down and focused on the goal. The longer you instruct or pain over which regional is best the more 300 hour wonders are going to be senior to you wherever you go. Why would you spend money on a block of time when Mesa is willing to pay you to fly it?

Bask in the sunlight of the pilot shortage my friend.

 

[shortbus driver]

or do what everyone else does

go to any regional that has a short training period. Go fly there for four months and bam the worst you can have is a few hundred multi turbine. Then just quit and go to a better place. I don't think its a grand idea, but it certainly seems to work for a whole group of people that were in my class

 

[mhermann596]

hey flyphish what is that in your avatar? looks like a 170 or 190 whos is it?

That would be the late great Chicago Express. The EMB-170 was a promotional photo (photoshopped) from Embrair when they were trying to woo them for an aircraft sale.

 

[Andrew_VT]

Why would you spend money on a block of time when Mesa is willing to pay you to fly it?

Bask in the sunlight of the pilot shortage my friend.

I actually agree with most everything you, shortbus, and flyPhish said, but it is a little disconcerting that 2 out of the 3 of you recommended Mesa!

 

[vectorvictor]

I actually agree with most everything you, shortbus, and flyPhish said, but it is a little disconcerting that 2 out of the 3 of you recommended Mesa!

I never worked for them so I can't say how bad it is. I've come to the realization that it is a tough go anywhere. At least now people are starting to get to move on again! Good luck.

 

[Andrew_VT]

Good luck.

Thanks, I just landed a job with Mesaba, which IMO is leaps and bounds ahead of alot of other regionals (PCL) in terms of QOL and mgmt competency.

 

[Dharmesh1231]

Vectorvictor is right....bask in the sunlight of pilot shortage. Most of all regionals have the same problems. It's just the depth of the problems that make QOL diff from each other. Get that PIC 121 time and jump out as soon as possible. That seems to be the name of the game.

 

[redflyer65]

The point of the original post is spot on. First and second year pay here is pathetic. No wonder they can't find enough people to come here, nor stay afterward. They think they can throw a couple of hundred dollars at you and it will be good. I don't think so.

Take a closer look at those PCL pay scales. Unbelievable sub-par.

We need a contract NOW.

 

[vectorvictor]

Thanks, I just landed a job with Mesaba, which IMO is leaps and bounds ahead of alot of other regionals (PCL) in terms of QOL and mgmt competency.

Congrats. I instructed for over 2 years (1947hrs dual given if you are wondering) before I got hired at my first regional where I sat in the right seat of a 1900 for 25 months before upgrading. I'm flying with guys and girls now with 400tt that are spending the time in cruise talking about how they are so happy to have "paid their dues" at ATP or whatever pilot factory they came from and how they are looking forward to going on to a major. You hit it just at the right time. Take advantage and get yourself ahead.

VV

One more piece of advice.....be respectful and nice to everybody and don't act like a jack-@ss. You never know who is watching. This industry is real small.

 

[sktwstdfrk]

I'm flying with guys and girls now with 400tt that are spending the time in cruise talking about how they are so happy to have "paid their dues" at ATP or whatever pilot factory they came from and how they are looking forward to going on to a major.

Wow, sounds like you need to carry some humble pie with you to hand out on some legs. I'm only a 500 hr guy that is scraping up some $ to get some more multi time in order to hopefully get an interview somewhere. While it would have been nice to come from a flight school that places you on a conveyor belt from zero to regional, I'm certainly glad I'm not one of the pompous ass' that you have to deal with.

 

[arthompson]

Thanks, I just landed a job with Mesaba, which IMO is leaps and bounds ahead of alot of other regionals (PCL) in terms of QOL and mgmt competency.

Don't use Mesaba and Management Competancy in the same sentence.