Pinnacle hiring again

[PCL_128]

Repeat after me- "I will never, never, never-ever put my overnight bag in the cargo compartment"

Actually, it's worse than that. I was dumb enough to leave it at home since I was just supposed to be doing an out-and-back. Of course, things never work out the way they're supposed to. I was there for 2 days.

 

[Mtnjam]

Topic Once again

This Gulfstream topic continuosly comes up, round and round like a dog chasing his tail. Myself and alot of other people disagree with the whole thing. That's besides the point. I don't even want to get into it about what my opinions are about sticking a guy with less than 250hrs of PIC as PIC in the left seat. When I say that, I say it for the people who don't have enough balls to because there are alot of them out there. I can live with the guys from Gulfstream, at least you guys geta couple hundred hours of "VFR" Turbo Prop time......
It's the New CAPT. program from ERAU that makes me sick. It's just the final button that set me off as well as alot of others. There is already an issue with the Pilot industry. We are underpaid, overworked, etc,etc. People whine and cry for a new contract but yet they continue to work these jobs. Not only have I been pushed out financially but I've also decided that I no longer want to contribute to Airlines and other companies treating us like "Whore$" These programs with all these guys coming in are killing the industry. These guys not only pay or get mom and dad to pay big bucks for this program, but when they're done, they're just so happy to be flying a Turbo Prop or Jet that they don't care about making any money. They Especially don't care if Mom and Dad is paying their rent and other bills. This kind of mentality and behavior will never allow the industry to turn over and it never will turn over because there will always be somebody that's just "glad to be there" regardless of income because to alot of young people and other people nowadays money HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE. This new ERAU program proves that theory to the T! Just my two cents here folks, but I'm sure alot of you agree. You Gulfstream guys got a Guilt Complex goin!! Relax the pressure's off now with the new meat in town

 

[Terry Hunter]

Did someone mention that Pinnacle is hiring again...

What is the upgrade time like these days? I say on airlinecentral that someone upgraded with a Apr05 DOH - is really that fast?

Thanks.

 

[PCL_128]

Did someone mention that Pinnacle is hiring again...

What is the upgrade time like these days? I say on airlinecentral that someone upgraded with a Apr05 DOH - is really that fast?

Thanks.

No, it's not like that anymore. You're looking at 5 years to upgrade if hired right now unless we pick up more growth.

 

[needapayraise]

Good riddance. I certainly don't want to spend a whole trip with you with your obvious attitude problem.

Yeah, he has a bad attitude of wanting to get paid a respectable wage. Good thing he won't be flying trips with you anymore with your big grin on your face thinking how cool it is to be flying in a jet.

 

[PCL_128]

Yeah, he has a bad attitude of wanting to get paid a respectable wage. Good thing he won't be flying trips with you anymore with your big grin on your face thinking how cool it is to be flying in a jet.

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. I wasn't referring to the pay he thinks he deserves, I was referring to his animosity towards GIA and ERAU CAPT graduates. That attitude doesn't work at this company. Gulfstream pilots make up a significant percentage of the pilot group, so if you don't like us, then you best work elsewhere.

 

[pilotkppsg]

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. I wasn't referring to the pay he thinks he deserves, I was referring to his animosity towards GIA and ERAU CAPT graduates. That attitude doesn't work at this company. Gulfstream pilots make up a significant percentage of the pilot group, so if you don't like us, then you best work elsewhere.

So, that's about 300 GIA'ers at pinnacle right? Figure about 30 grand per "pilot," right? Ok, by my math, that's 9 million paid in full to fly CRJ's. Good job guys, keep up the noble work while I try to afford milk and gas.

 

[BOHICAgain]

So, that's about 300 GIA'ers at pinnacle right? Figure about 30 grand per "pilot," right? Ok, by my math, that's 9 million paid in full to fly CRJ's. Good job guys, keep up the noble work while I try to afford milk and gas.

where your beer money?? ..u gotta sacrafice milk for beer

 

[newfish]

Pcl 128......

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. I wasn't referring to the pay he thinks he deserves, I was referring to his animosity towards GIA and ERAU CAPT graduates. That attitude doesn't work at this company. Gulfstream pilots make up a significant percentage of the pilot group, so if you don't like us, then you best work elsewhere.

PCL 128

I have watched you defend the practices of Pinnacle for some time now. Your attitude represents everything that is wrong with our industry. You obviously went through a PFT program. And now you are a CAPTAIN of a shiny new CRJ!!!!!! So what if you are willing to work for the absolute worst wages in the industry for a company that hates you. At least your airline is growing (or was) and you got a quick upgrade to CAPTAIN. And even if you are making the worst captain pay in the industry, at least you are making more than the GIA grad to your right who makes 16k before taxes and LOVES IT! Why should management hire qualified pilots and pay them what they deserve when you can fill the front seats with a fresh 250hr wonderboy and a captain who doesn't care. SMARTEN UP! GET SOME GUTS! You deserve better that your getting.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL 128

I have watched you defend the practices of Pinnacle for some time now. Your attitude represents everything that is wrong with our industry. You obviously went through a PFT program. And now you are a CAPTAIN of a shiny new CRJ!!!!!! So what if you are willing to work for the absolute worst wages in the industry for a company that hates you. At least your airline is growing (or was) and you got a quick upgrade to CAPTAIN. And even if you are making the worst captain pay in the industry, at least you are making more than the GIA grad to your right who makes 16k before taxes and LOVES IT! Why should management hire qualified pilots and pay them what they deserve when you can fill the front seats with a fresh 250hr wonderboy and a captain who doesn't care. SMARTEN UP! GET SOME GUTS! You deserve better that your getting.

Apparently you haven't been watching very closely. I very rarely defend anything going on at Pinnacle. I was one of the loudest critics of both the company and the crew involved in the 3701 incident. I constantly attack the company's labor relations. I attack our training department all the time. Where is this "defending" that you speak of? I'm merely telling people to avoid this company if you don't like the GIA pilots, because there's lots of us here.

As for the details of your post, you're wrong on many counts. For one thing, I don't make the worst pay in the industry. Not even close. Pinnacle's Captain pay is firmly in the middle of the pack. The FO pay is horrible, but the Captain pay is average. Secondly, our first year FOs make about 21k or so, not the 16k you cite.

As for guts, I assure you that I have plenty. I have no problem walking out of this place and shutting it down if necessary.

 

[The_Russian]

I'll step in....

The funny thing here is that all of you are willing to accept sub-par wages just to get a chance to fly a CRJ. Even if you have a CFI background, you are still helping the hurt in this industry by going to Skywest for that 19.02 per hour. And the funny thing about it is most of you paid twice as much as GIA guys. In fact, CAPT boys and girls pay three times as much (around 150,000). What I am talking about here is zero time to airline. Anyone who goes to Mesa or Comair (DCA) is helping a form of PFJ/PFT. Get over it. Its never going to end and its everywhere. All of you who show up to the airport without hats and degrees to fly that CRJ are continuing to lessen the industry. Most of the problem stems from your piss poor attitudes!

"Hey, look at that Captain. Hes wearing his hat! What a dork!"

or

"This industry sucks.....Blah, blah."

or

"Lets deny jumpseat to everyone thats not me!"

ETC....ETC....ETC...

You b!tch about being a CFI, then you whine about being an airline pilot. When are you gonna be happy? When are you gonna stop hurting your fellow pilots? When are you going to unionize and stop this mis-management of our futures? You aren't. Because you are too worried about GIA and CAPT to fix our current problems and to educate future pilots on the way things should be. You continue to let things happen, and then point the finger to blame brothers and sisters afterward. Resulting in the division of our close knit group.

Shame on you all.

Rant completed.

 

[Tank Commander]

Can anyone tell me if their was a time in this industry at the regional level when CA made more then $100,000 a year, and FO's didn't start out at $hit wages? I know, "but now we are flying jets". Thank god for technological advances.....

 

[Mtnjam]

Tanks Not

Thanks Everyone for gettin real and realizing what I'm trying to grasp a hold of here!! It's about time somebody see's the rationalization!!!! The PCL 128 guy obviously is just glad to be flying a "jet". That's cool, he's one of those guys that downgrades us and doesn't allow us to be treated and paid what we're worth. That's just the way it is and those guys are out there and they always will be! Tank man, the industry is just going to get worse with these Gulfstream and CAPT. programs out there. It's headed downward. Yes it's been bad, but when company's like 9E get a kick back, like a 10k kickback for every guy they hire from these programs, then what ever happened to the day's when guys where recognized for their hard work? I got a guy that's got 400 multi, 1400 dual given and 1800t.t. and he gets an interview after a CAPT. or Gulfstream progam guy??? What's with that? This guys earned it, not the Gulfstreamer or Rich kid that had his daddy pay 80k for an ERAU program. Just be glad you're flyin that Jet boys!!!! Keep it up!!!! I'm so coooooolllllll!!!! I fly a JET!!!!!!

 

[pilotkppsg]

where your beer money?? ..u gotta sacrafice milk for beer

Even shatty beer is a luxury when you make less than 20K a year and some friggin' retard w/ a big ol' check comes in from one of the "academies" and is "just glad to be there...." Fantastic job CAPT graduates, ya'll have truly shown what competent aviators you really are. Heck, I never thought myself a pilot till I got a type rating, but oh wait, I never had to pay for one to get here, DOUCHEBAGS!

 

[AlohaFlyer]

Repeat after me- "I will never, never, never-ever put my overnight bag in the cargo compartment"

I once got my overnight bag held hostage by the Cuban government... the rampers can't read English and sent it through to baggage claim.. then the Cubans wouldn't give it back to us for 3 days... Havana charters are interesting but hang on tight to your bag... and a little tip. Keep your apartment keys in your pants pocket. ;-)