Pinnacle gets TA

[WayBack]

I thought your Messiah, Obama, was going to fix all this....Are you saying a Democratic NMB would park Pinnacle? How can that be?

Remember this bumbling fool (PFT-128)how he was prancing around and pounding his fist saying that PCL was going to strike, and the NMB would release them because Osama was President?
Hey PFT_128, I thought you were "ready to take it to the mat!"??? What happened? Just the thought of it has you get out of breath and cramp up in your hairy axe wound?

 

[BoilerUP]

If those posted rates are accurate, both the CA & FO 50 seat rates are below the Oct 2008 rates in AWAC's CONCESSIONARY 2003 contract...and the 60-76 seat FO rates are, too.

 

[dondk]

it is important to note these are the rates effective 5/04 and the rates they have been working off of since. The CAP was 15 years, the new CAP is 18 years.


-200 CA

[FONT=&quot]5/1/04[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 55.07 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 56.76 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 58.51 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 60.31 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 62.14 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 63.96 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 65.52 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 67.42 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 69.62 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 71.62 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 73.68 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 75.80 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 77.96 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 80.21 [/FONT] 82.37

-200 FO

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[FONT=&quot]5/1/04[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 20.73 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 24.39 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 30.09 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 33.28 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 34.31 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 35.06 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 35.64 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] 36.23 [/FONT]

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These rates for the -900 went into effect as of 12/07


900 pay
Year Captain First Officer
1 $61.27 $25.73
2 $63.10 $32.81
3 $65.73 $35.49
4 $67.70 $37.24
5 $69.20 $38.06
6 $71.31 $39.22
7 $73.32 $40.32
8 $75.69 $40.32
9 $78.10 $40.32
10 $80.73 $40.32
11 $83.19 $40.32
12 $85.19 $40.32
13 $88.35 $40.61
14 $91.10 $41.90
15 $93.62 $43.07
16 $95.72 $44.03
17 $97.67 $44.93
18 $99.69 $45.96


A quick snapshot, it appears the majority are getting 3% COLA for the last 5 years and about $2-$4 bucks more for waiting 5 years. With the exception of the top 5% of the seniority list which appears to get nothing.

 

[73belair]

Are there any steps built in for (at least) the next 5 years of the contract duration? Or it just one raise right now?

 

[PCL_128]

Are there any steps built in for (at least) the next 5 years of the contract duration? Or it just one raise right now?

It has a system somewhat similar to the EGL contract. Minimum 1% raises are guaranteed each year, but if the industry average increases, then their rates increase with it, up to a max of 3% each year. Not a horrible system, but not great either.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yep, such is the industry. Everyone is trying to move on to a "career airline" that has good pay, work rules, and benefits. Until we fix the outsourcing problem, that's not going to go away, Joey. Most people aren't content to spend a career at the regionals. You say yourself that "30%" of the regional guys are lifers (I think that's an exaggeration, but for argument's sake...), so you're admitting that nearly 3/4 of all regional pilots are planning to move on. It's just reality.



Not at all. I don't ridicule that guys that are making a career out of the regionals, I ridicule guys that are doing so and have such an inferiority complex that they've devoted their lives to trying to steal mainline seniority while simultaneously trying to convince everyone that their regional is the best thing since sliced bread.



Not too good. Arrogant mainline pilots wouldn't sit down to talk about it, and arrogant RJ lifers wouldn't consider reasonable integration proposals. People like you killed the idea, Joey.

You are debating a guy that trumpets conservative values all while he sued his union for the biggest socialist welfare distribution of wealth pay out via the RJDC.......