Pinnacle Files for Bankruptcy

[Simon Says]

Or LOA21

After reading LOA 21, I could argue Bloch followed it. Remeber the last sentence...it says that the Mesaba pilots would do no worse than 2:1

And since you want to play games. Being a Mesaba Pilot, I did no worse.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

After reading LOA 21, I could argue Bloch followed it. Remeber the last sentence...it says that the Mesaba pilots would do no worse than 2:1

And since you want to play games. Being a Mesaba Pilot, I did no worse.

Not all of us were so lucky as you Simon.

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

Think mine was closer to 6 to 1

 

[jynxyjericho]

This thread smells of success.

Furloughs will be a while off guys. Long while in airline time. Relax, update the logbooks, put out the resume's, it'll all work out. This won't be your last furlough.

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

This thread smells of success.

Furloughs will be a while off guys. Long while in airline time. Relax, update the logbooks, put out the resume's, it'll all work out. This won't be your last furlough.

I respectfully disagree.
With the first reductions slated to start in May, the voluntary furlough requests need to start going out fairly soon.

Now if 20 pilots a day start resigning yes it may be a while but I don't see that happening until the term sheets hit the unions but that should start happening anytime too.

I hope you're right though

 

[jynxyjericho]

I respectfully disagree.
With the first reductions slated to start in May, the voluntary furlough requests need to start going out fairly soon.

Now if 20 pilots a day start resigning yes it may be a while but I don't see that happening until the term sheets hit the unions but that should start happening anytime too.

I hope you're right though

Well, maybe I'm just trying to stay positive. If my experience is correct we are well above the 20 pilot per month leaving this last 3 weeks, continuing on for the next 6 weeks.

Nothing moves quickly in aviation. We'll find out soon either way.

 

[Raskal]

Seriously, has anyone heard of when/if the voluntary furloughs will be offered? I'll take it.

 

[xjhawk]

Think mine was closer to 6 to 1

yeah me too man. I am planning on a FO position, hopefully in MSP. What do I want to happen?

In this order....(of course winning the mega millions is the real number 1

1. Leave Pinnacle for a mainline carrier (American/United or Alaska)
2. Leave Pinnacle for a National Carrier (But since they have all hired in the last year and are hiring FO's who have less PIC and experience than me right now-I think they are hiring people with a lot of Recommendations or just don't want pilots with 1000PIC/4 year degree who will leave to a major in a year
3. Get screwed by Anderson in this bankruptcy, then have Anderson do a Delta version of the last bankruptcy. What is that you ask? Make a deal with their pilots for some relief on scope or create a "B" scale for Delta (why else would management at Delta want to negotiate with pilots so early?) All Delta would have to do is swoop in and buy Pinnacle and simultaneously transfer all the plans to the Delta certificate or create a new one and "flow" all the pilots into that new certificate as Delta pilots. Then parking 200's and swapping in 100 seaters. Effectively all the flowed pilots would be year 1 at Delta under a "B" scale and I am sure Delta Pilots would agree to a seat lock provision for all those flowed pilots. You would have the choice to flow or lose your job. Delta would now have staffing for all their 100 seaters and the cheapest rates possible. Current 900 pilots would be forced to a huge pay cut at year 1 rates and all the while Delta pilots would think they were doing us a favor by getting us Delta seniority numbers.

Far fetched? Think about the last bankruptcy. Anderson was able to get NWA pilots to agree to the creation of Compass for the 175's, get mesaba's labor costs down, and pay pennies for Mesaba.

 

[JustaNumber]

xjhawk, that really sounds like something they would try. Let's hope not.

 

[filejw]

yeah me too man. I am planning on a FO position, hopefully in MSP. What do I want to happen?

In this order....(of course winning the mega millions is the real number 1

1. Leave Pinnacle for a mainline carrier (American/United or Alaska)
2. Leave Pinnacle for a National Carrier (But since they have all hired in the last year and are hiring FO's who have less PIC and experience than me right now-I think they are hiring people with a lot of Recommendations or just don't want pilots with 1000PIC/4 year degree who will leave to a major in a year
3. Get screwed by Anderson in this bankruptcy, then have Anderson do a Delta version of the last bankruptcy. What is that you ask? Make a deal with their pilots for some relief on scope or create a "B" scale for Delta (why else would management at Delta want to negotiate with pilots so early?) All Delta would have to do is swoop in and buy Pinnacle and simultaneously transfer all the plans to the Delta certificate or create a new one and "flow" all the pilots into that new certificate as Delta pilots. Then parking 200's and swapping in 100 seaters. Effectively all the flowed pilots would be year 1 at Delta under a "B" scale and I am sure Delta Pilots would agree to a seat lock provision for all those flowed pilots. You would have the choice to flow or lose your job. Delta would now have staffing for all their 100 seaters and the cheapest rates possible. Current 900 pilots would be forced to a huge pay cut at year 1 rates and all the while Delta pilots would think they were doing us a favor by getting us Delta seniority numbers.

Far fetched? Think about the last bankruptcy. Anderson was able to get NWA pilots to agree to the creation of Compass for the 175's, get mesaba's labor costs down, and pay pennies for Mesaba.

Hey if you plan on daydreaming at least do it with some facts. Richard Anderson wasn't at NWA they went bankrupt , he was working at United Healthcare.

 

[dustrpilot]

And Compass was sold to Hulas

 

[PCL_128]

Hey if you plan on daydreaming at least do it with some facts. Richard Anderson wasn't at NWA they went bankrupt , he was working at United Healthcare.

Yep. That whole evil plot was Doug Steenland. Rumors even swirled around that Anderson had left specifically because he was opposed to filing for bankruptcy, and the Board was dead set on it.

 

[dustrpilot]

And Steenland was jumping up and down with his hand in the air saying "pick me, pick me, I'll do it!"

 

[PCL_128]

And Steenland was jumping up and down with his hand in the air saying "pick me, pick me, I'll do it!"

Yep. If anyone was the successor to Lorenzo, it was Steenland. I thought for sure someone was going to go postal on him. He's truly lucky he made it out of NWA alive.

 

[xjhawk]

So you think it coincidence that Anderson was the head of NWA and Steenland was close to him? That it was pure coincidence that Anderson was only at United Health for a short time and kept him hands clean during the bankruptcy and was quickly hired at Delta. That by keeping his hands clean in the bankruptcy he was able to bring the two airlines together. That entire series of events was not a huge coincidence. If It was then you believe that the oil companies are also operating in good faith and not manipulating the market to ensure their maximum profits.

I did forget about Steenland, but in the end I think there is a something going on-and the more I think about it I think it might be to get more crj 200's out of the Delta system. Which will be bad news for the pilots of Pinnacle.

 

[saabass]

I agree. This is ultimately a manipulation of the system to reduce 200s and get rid of United flying. Don't be fooled by the new 10yr service agreement-that why we are in BK. Didn't we (XJ) sign a new 200 agreement a month before we went into BK the last time? Shortly after they went into BK, and pulled one of the two 200s we actually had, and gave it to Compass so they could start up. I think we will eventually merger with Comair. Then more furloughs and SLIs with senior people from Comair(assuming everyone wants Date of Hire this time around). It is going to be very, very bad for all.

 

[xjhawk]

yeah it would be just like ALPA to do a DOH integration with Comair where it would screw over a lot of us while the last one went CAT/Class with a end result of a screw job for many. Time to leave is now. Actually I think the time to leave has long since past. Those who left already are the lucky ones

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I agree. This is ultimately a manipulation of the system to reduce 200s and get rid of United flying. Don't be fooled by the new 10yr service agreement-that why we are in BK. Didn't we (XJ) sign a new 200 agreement a month before we went into BK the last time? Shortly after they went into BK, and pulled one of the two 200s we actually had, and gave it to Compass so they could start up. I think we will eventually merger with Comair. Then more furloughs and SLIs with senior people from Comair(assuming everyone wants Date of Hire this time around). It is going to be very, very bad for all.

Don't forget the (clearly in bad faith) signing of the extention of the Avros for an additional I thnk 10 years within 3 months of the shamruptcy that had them returning to Europe the next day.

 

[filejw]

So you think it coincidence that Anderson was the head of NWA and Steenland was close to him? That it was pure coincidence that Anderson was only at United Health for a short time and kept him hands clean during the bankruptcy and was quickly hired at Delta. That by keeping his hands clean in the bankruptcy he was able to bring the two airlines together. That entire series of events was not a huge coincidence. If It was then you believe that the oil companies are also operating in good faith and not manipulating the market to ensure their maximum profits.

I did forget about Steenland, but in the end I think there is a something going on-and the more I think about it I think it might be to get more crj 200's out of the Delta system. Which will be bad news for the pilots of Pinnacle.

RA went United HealthCare because they paid him like 8 million $$ a year for 2 or 3 years. Took care of his family and came back to the airlines because he likes the challenge and pace.