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[ShyFlyGuy]

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[ShyFlyGuy]

Thank God for the "Edit" button.

 

[Flyer1015]

Im not sure exactly what your trying to say, however, i dont think that I like your rhetoric. And quite frankly, I dont think that there would be as many accidents and violations at PNCL if there were more GIA guys around. Consistent training is the key. Just ask the military.

No, you DO know exactly what I'm saying.


And on a side note, no way in h*ll can you ever equate GIA training to military training. Ditto to what dondk said.

 

[plainenglish]

Not too long ago I had a GIA guy tell me that since he had 500 hrs in type (800 TT) he should be allowed to upgrade. PFT and 500 hours of experience does not mean you have command ability.QUOTE]


Ok I'm sorry. I know you probably did this on accident but you are dead wrong. Either you or the guy you are talking about is a LIAR. I don't mean to question your character but seriously, this is driving me crazy. How can a guy with 500 in type from GIA have 800 TT. I mean simple second grade math and private pilot knowledge tells you this is not possible. I know you being such a awesome GOD like captain you figured this out when the FO told you this. Lets do the math for fun if you can't figure it out. 250 hours average for commercial plus 250 for 1900D, whats that add up to? 500, plus 500 in type. I'll let you figure the answer to that one. So please tell me you just made a mistake and didn't make that story up because I'm calling BULLS*** on this one.

 

[dondk]

Ok I'm sorry. I know you probably did this on accident but you are dead wrong. Either you or the guy you are talking about is a LIAR. I don't mean to question your character but seriously, this is driving me crazy. How can a guy with 500 in type from GIA have 800 TT. I mean simple second grade math and private pilot knowledge tells you this is not possible. I know you being such a awesome GOD like captain you figured this out when the FO told you this. Lets do the math for fun if you can't figure it out. 250 hours average for commercial plus 250 for 1900D, whats that add up to? 500, plus 500 in type. I'll let you figure the answer to that one. So please tell me you just made a mistake and didn't make that story up because I'm calling BULLS*** on this one.

You have a point.. First I am not GOD or GOD like, just an average guy trying to make a living and not becoming a statistic by way of an overzealous FO or a weak company.

I do believe GIA has a 141 program (or other schools for that fact) where you can obtain a Commercial ticket in less than 250 hours. Like 185 if my 141 reg's come back to me. 185+250+500 is more like 935 and not 800.. MY bad...

That particular FO told me his time was 800 hours with 500 in type, so I guess he can't add either. Regardless, some peeps "think" that because they have 500 hours or some other "small" number in type they are prepared to command the aircraft. 500 hours is experience, but how much experience is it really? 500 hours flying VFR is way different than 500 hours of hard IMC, you can't argue that.

You called me wrong and I admit it... thanks for setting me straight.

 

[Eagleflip]

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[plainenglish]

dondk,

I'm sorry if I sounded like a punk earlier, it just ticks me off when people don't have their facts straight when talking bad about someone. I agree with you on your point also, there is no way I or anyone else with that amount of time would be compentent enough to upgrade. That kid is a moron but please don't prejudge us all that went to that place. Not everyone that went there think like that guy.

 

[8HRRULE]

8HRRULE,

Your comment about GIA peep's is wrong, PFT in a 1900 and flying a CRJ (or any jet for that matter) is two different things.

In a 1900 you rarely get into the flight levels, in the jet you are rarely anywhere BUT the flight levels.
The 1900 is 1/3 the weight of the CRJ, the 1900 top speed is 248, the CRJ climbs out above that.
Don't get me wrong, the 1900 is a fun and forgiving aircraft but it is not a CRJ.

Your PFT program prepares you for exactly that, the 1900.. The GIA program does not prepare you for a jet. The GIA program does not prepare you for winter operations. The GIA program does not prepare you for the 3000 hours you need to upgrade, only time and experience does that.

Dude, are you seroius? The 1900 is a pressurized aircraft that was built to cruise at the flight levels with ease. During PFT, we regularly cruised in the flight levels (even above 20,000) and sometimes we would cruise as high as 250. PFT programs are designed to turn out captains in all types of aircraft, with additional training, of course. Winter operations are covered thoroughly. Believe me, there is plenty of ice in a Florida thunderstorm. Time aside, GIA grads should be able to upgrade faster that 3000 hrs. 1500 is sufficent.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Thats too bad. If there were more GIA guys around, there would probably be less violations and accidents. Sounds like a management problem.

[Snicker!]

C'mon, who are you, really? Gotta be somebody that got banned a while back...

 

[mayoplane]

We just wish that 8HRRULE stopped writing.....

 

[8HRRULE]

We just wish that 8HRRULE stopped writing.....

Dude, What?

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Dude, are you seroius? The 1900 is a pressurized aircraft that was built to cruise at the flight levels with ease. During PFT, we regularly cruised in the flight levels (even above 20,000) and sometimes we would cruise as high as 250. PFT programs are designed to turn out captains in all types of aircraft, with additional training, of course. Winter operations are covered thoroughly. Believe me, there is plenty of ice in a Florida thunderstorm. Time aside, GIA grads should be able to upgrade faster that 3000 hrs. 1500 is sufficent.

HAHAHA...

8, remember way back yesterday when I was getting all mean and p!ssed-off? I have been reading your posts a lot closer, and I realized that you don't fly the 1900, probibally never did. One thing is for sure, you never went to GIA or PFTed either. You're a guy who put hard work into your flying career and you're playing "bad cop" as Denzel did in "Training Day". I'm not sure why, but it's hillarious to see you get people so ruffled up because they hate the PFTers so bad. If you could just get all your ruffling and pi$$ing-people-off done in a more concise manner, you'd be alright. Work on that, and I'll keep watching and being entertained.

Thanks, this is better than television (which I don't have).

Shy

 

[AvroJockey]

Dude, are you seroius? The 1900 is a pressurized aircraft that was built to cruise at the flight levels with ease. During PFT, we regularly cruised in the flight levels (even above 20,000) and sometimes we would cruise as high as 250. PFT programs are designed to turn out captains in all types of aircraft, with additional training, of course. Winter operations are covered thoroughly. Believe me, there is plenty of ice in a Florida thunderstorm. Time aside, GIA grads should be able to upgrade faster that 3000 hrs. 1500 is sufficent.

You did not just say that in public!

I bet the type of ice you get that requires type IV on the ground.

Nice!

God, I wish I knew who you were so I can aviod any aircraft under your control.

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

You did not just say that in public!

Avro,

He's joking. Look at what he wrote in that one paragraph.

During PFT, we regularly cruised in the flight levels (even above 20,000) and sometimes we would cruise as high as 250.

He's a real pilot and knows that to say he cruised in the flight levels, even above 20,000... he's joking. There is FL180, FL190... oh, and even above that! He even calls it PFT himself! Priceless!

Winter operations are covered thoroughly. Believe me, there is plenty of ice in a Florida thunderstorm.

There IS ice in there... unfortunately, it's much higher than FL180... and it's usually falling at a high rate of speed... He's just jerking your chain... all of our chains. It's funny, because he's not real. Even if he is real, it's funny.

I'm taking my own advice. You should have seen some of the stuff I wrote yesterday. I must confess, your AME called me and prescribed me to lower your blood-pressure, so I'm just doing my job.

Shy

 

[Flechas]

Nevermind, was way too drunk, but I hope 8HRRULE read what I wrote, I mean it.

 

[dondk]

Dude, are you seroius? The 1900 is a pressurized aircraft that was built to cruise at the flight levels with ease. During PFT, we regularly cruised in the flight levels (even above 20,000) and sometimes we would cruise as high as 250. PFT programs are designed to turn out captains in all types of aircraft, with additional training, of course. Winter operations are covered thoroughly. Believe me, there is plenty of ice in a Florida thunderstorm. Time aside, GIA grads should be able to upgrade faster that 3000 hrs. 1500 is sufficent.

So.. let me understand this correctly sir. Your PFT training specifically told you to fly into Thunderstorms in a 1900?

While I am obviously not as good as you, I do have much more than 250 hours in the 1900. I can still count on one hand how many times I was in the flight levels in the 1900.

I have flown with many of your comrades, I find it funny that most of them told me that they usually flew in the "teens", like most 1900 operators do.

Maybe your just special.. you fly in T-storms, get lot's of ice (therefore a winter expert) and you cruise at the service ceiling. You are definately ready for Captain!

 

[8HRRULE]

Nevermind, was way too drunk, but I hope 8HRRULE read what I wrote, I mean it.

Dude, nobody knows what your talking about. Please elaborate. For all of us.

 

[PCL_128]

Don, 8HRWHORE is obviously just fanning the flames, but we did fly quite often in flight levels at GIA. I only have about 300 hours in the 1900, but I'd say I flew it a couple dozen times at 180 or above. Typically it would be on the longer flights going out to the outer islands like Marsh Harbor. The C models were a different story though. It was tough to get those any higher than the mid teens with pax on board.

 

[8HRRULE]

Don, 8HRWHORE is obviously just fanning the flames, but we did fly quite often in flight levels at GIA. I only have about 300 hours in the 1900, but I'd say I flew it a couple dozen times at 180 or above. Typically it would be on the longer flights going out to the outer islands like Marsh Harbor. The C models were a different story though. It was tough to get those any higher than the mid teens with pax on board.

So you are a GIA PFT'er. Its nice to be in good company. Have you considered Freedom? You get to fly the 900.

 

[ataopsdave]

I dont mean to take sides but of the 6 GIA grads in the last class 2 did not even make it to their check ride and one failed his check ride twice.

 

[8HRRULE]

I dont mean to take sides but of the 6 GIA grads in the last class 2 did not even make it to their check ride and one failed his check ride twice.

That is not my experience at all. Gia grads come from the most intense and rigorous training program that has ever been concieved for civilians, and possibly military. If there were failures in the Pinnacle program, you can fault the instructors. Sounds like a pretty high failure rate. Accidents/Incidents/Violations/Type4Deice Stories seem to be commonplace at 9E. This is why any more Airlink aircraft will say Mesaba by the door.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I dont mean to take sides but of the 6 GIA grads in the last class 2 did not even make it to their check ride and one failed his check ride twice.

It is not black and white. How was their training?

 

[405]

So, 8HR...

What plane were you in and where did you go the last time you flew at 9E?

Sorry to intrude everyone. I'm just curious.

405

 

[Lear70]

Accidents/Incidents/Violations/Type4Deice Stories seem to be commonplace at 9E. This is why any more Airlink aircraft will say Mesaba by the door.

Didn't you just get through saying a while back that PCL was going to grow like crazy and get so many more airplanes you were going to be Captain before we knew it?

LOL... Troll. Funny stuff though; I'm enjoying watching you p*ss everyone else off who hasn't realized you're flame baiting.

 

[8HRRULE]

What plane were you in and where did you go the last time you flew at 9E?

Sorry to intrude everyone. I'm just curious.

405

Last trip was from MSP to HLN. Everything went smooth. Had the surfaces coated with type-4 before departure "just in case". No problems until approach. WX below mins on the ILS so we went missed as published. Straight out to 4300 and then climbing left turn up to niner. (Aircraft--Whoop Whoop---PULL_UP--Whoop Whoop---PULL_UP.....TERRAIN...TERRAIN) Wait a minute. WTF? Is that right? This is almost as confusing as Reagan.

 

[Flybet3]

no wonderqq

Last trip was from MSP to HLN. Everything went smooth. Had the surfaces coated with type-4 before departure "just in case". No problems until approach. WX below mins on the ILS so we went missed as published. Straight out to 4300 and then climbing left turn up to niner. (Aircraft--Whoop Whoop---PULL_UP--Whoop Whoop---PULL_UP.....TERRAIN...TERRAIN) Wait a minute. WTF? Is that right? This is almost as confusing as Reagan.

Yep, it was your leg I'm guessing? sounds like something only a full of sh*t arrogan PFT Gulfboy would do. Kill yourself, there's not need to take 50 innocent pax with you...you suck.

 

[T-handle]

Why do you people continue to argue with Denzel? just ignore him, send a quick PM to the moderators and move on.

 

[Gator1999]

All Pinnacle pilots are not bad. However, as an operation, that place is inept and scary.

- Flight 3701 going to FL410 and stalling killing 2; plane destroyed

- Flight in MKE continues with hydraulic problem and goes off runway; plane totalled

- Flight in Montana turns the wrong way on missed approach and misses mountain top by few hundred feet

- Pilots ask for Type-4 anti-icing fluid on a clear day because "we will be flying in the clouds later on"

- Pilots asked for altitude and airspeed; after answering "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller asks them to repeat; they say "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller asks for a third time; they say "6000 feet and 300 knots"; controller says "umm... can you slow to 250?"; pilots having no clue respond "we can give you whatever speed you want

- More than 10 times the number of violations of any other airline operating out of the same FSDO, even though size is smaller

- Snowstorm shuts down entire airline; SOC can cope and NWA steps in

- And the list could go on and on. . .

I just had to add another one that I heard from Pinnacle in MEM...

-cleared to position and hold as a FedEx MD11 lands flagship replies,"We're going to need 2 minutes behind that heavy" Memphis tower comes back with "uhhhh, whatever..."

Brilliant!

 

[8HRRULE]

Yep, it was your leg I'm guessing? sounds like something only a full of sh*t arrogan PFT Gulfboy would do. Kill yourself, there's not need to take 50 innocent pax with you...you suck.

Talk like that can get you banned these days. It sounds like you are just another "TELEPHONE TOUGHGUY"...

 

[8HRRULE]

Yep, it was your leg I'm guessing? sounds like something only a full of sh*t arrogan PFT Gulfboy would do. Kill yourself, there's not need to take 50 innocent pax with you...you suck.

Dude, you don't even work here anymore. Go away.