pinnacle class cancelled

[8HRRULE]

I never dreamed that there were that many idiots at Pinnacle. I know the guy that runs the sim up there, and he's a class act. Ex-TWA MD-11 driver, GREAT guy. I'm sure there are some great folks at 9E, but when you hire GIAers with 500 hours, that's what you get. Dumba$$es that don't know what they're doing. We had them at Mesa. What are some of the other buy-a-job progams out there besides GIA and MAPD?

I agree. I have heard a lot of horror stories from people jumpseating on Pinnacle. Scary.

 

[Flyer1015]

What are some of the other buy-a-job progams out there besides GIA and MAPD?

Tab Express. A true nightmare.

Zero-Time Pilot to a Job-
Express 1-9, 10*-13: $69,990
Express 14 (Beech 1900 Type Rating): $12,495
Express 15 (250 hour B1900 F.O. Intern): $12,500

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Sooooo... you drop 70 large up front, and at the end of 4 years flying with this airline, you get your money back. Hahahaaaaaa. If the airline goes (like JetsGo) you are out of 70 grand.

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I'm about to puke.

 

[Rook]

I never dreamed that there were that many idiots at Pinnacle. I know the guy that runs the sim up there, and he's a class act. Ex-TWA MD-11 driver, GREAT guy. I'm sure there are some great folks at 9E, but when you hire GIAers with 500 hours, that's what you get. Dumba$$es that don't know what they're doing. We had them at Mesa. What are some of the other buy-a-job progams out there besides GIA and MAPD?

Man he must've been reeeeeeeal senior to fly the MD-11 at TWA. (didnt know TWA had MD-11's) You know the guy that runs the sim where? The sims are 'run' by the techs at Flight Safety. 9E rents the sims from them. Know the facts before you get type happy on your keyboard friend.

Rook
Looks like a high overcast.
Better ask for Type IV.

 

[Peanut Chaser]

Mesaba getting new CRJ's

Rumor has it Pinnacle is cancelling classes and Mesaba is picking up the hiring to have NWA redirect some CRJ's to mesaba.

 

[8HRRULE]

Rumor has it Pinnacle is cancelling classes and Mesaba is picking up the hiring to have NWA redirect some CRJ's to mesaba.

I heard that too.

 

[blade230]

This thread is another un-fkucing real one. There are so many raging pricks in this industry. I am an ass, but at least I'm not a prick like so many on this site which this thread, like many others on this website, aptly illustrate.

I have met/observed a sh!tload of Brutal ex-pay your dues flight instructors.

I have met/observed quite a few Brutal ex-PFTers, and there are tons outside of Gulfstream in this industry.

I have met/observered quite a few Brutal ex-freight drivers.

I have seen great pilots that teach me very much, from all the above for-mentioned groups as well.


Ban me from this site, who the hell cares.

 

[Tina Fey's Scar]

I hope this thread will not divert any of the bashing energy away from Chautauqua.

 

[NuGuy]

Don't forget the Hibbing crash and Memphis FSDO is the most lax FSDO in the world they would let you get away with just about anything thats another part of the problem.

Actually, I think that I read in the accident report that, technically, the Hibbing crash was under the Express II certificate, which was held by the DSM FSDO (this was back when they had split the certificates). I remember it was really strange, since Express II didn't even fly into DSM.

Nu

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

There are horror stories and retards at every airline. Name an airline, and there are plenty to go around.

You guys are seriously idiots...especially for believing all these rumors.

I've met some piss poor pilots at Mesaba (I swear there are some captains over there that absolutely cannot think for themselves to save their lives..plus whats with carrying 318,000 pounds of fuel to go to pellston?), NW, FedEx.. you name it. Guys just tend to slip through the cracks somehow.

I'll believe the rumors when i see them as press releases from the airline.

 

[The_Russian]

Flyer,

Tab "Airline" doesn't even exist yet. They are a fraud and should be stopped for illegal advertising. Their product doesn't even exist.

 

[Flyeys]

It doesn't matter to me if class gets cancelled. I have my seniority and things are looking up. I will have 600 people below me by the end of the month. Captain, here i come.

Please tell me they dont put folks with less than 600 hours in the left seat. That may be the problem right there.

 

[8HRRULE]

Please tell me they dont put folks with less than 600 hours in the left seat. That may be the problem right there.

I think that you have to have at least 1500 hrs to upgrade to captain.

 

[b82rez]

Please tell me they dont put folks with less than 600 hours in the left seat. That may be the problem right there.

They do. They have obtained a waiver from the FAA to have people act as PIC without an ATP. They are also trying to get a waiver to let people who have EMB-145 listed under experience to upgrade without the most basic understanding of pilot certificates.

 

[8HRRULE]

They do. They have obtained a waiver from the FAA to have people act as PIC without an ATP. They are also trying to get a waiver to let people who have EMB-145 listed under experience to upgrade without the most basic understanding of pilot certificates.

I heard about that waiver, but I thought that it was a bunch of crap. It makes sense, though.

 

[8HRRULE]

Please tell me they dont put folks with less than 600 hours in the left seat. That may be the problem right there.

As a former GIA Captain, I can safely say that i would take a 300 hour gulfstreamer over most 2000hr fo's anyday.

 

[Lear70]

As a former GIA Captain, I can safely say that i would take a 300 hour gulfstreamer over most 2000hr fo's anyday.

You need to put the bottle down, step BACK from the keyboard, and sober up before you post again...

I'll take a 2,000 freight dog F/O out of YIP or anywhere in the Northeast Corridor or even a 2,000 Lear F/O over a 300, 500, or even 600 hour guy every day of the week and twice on Tuesday. There IS no substitute for experience.

Upgrade requirements at PCL are 3,500 Total Time, 1,500 turbine, 1,000 MEL (or there abouts), total time reduceable hour per hour up to 500 hours time in type, 100 hours of simulator can be used for those totals.

That's why I don't worry about the GIA guys and gals who upgrade - by the time they have the flight time to upgrade, they've seen a couple of winters, know the airplane, and have learned most of the important legal and company "gotchas". What worries me are the type of CA's who are hired straight in off of flying a Navajo and a Caravan in Florida or upgrade within 3 or 4 months; they meet the minimums but have ZERO relevant experience to be in that seat. Pair one of those up with a 600 hour GIA new-hire and you have a recipe for trouble.

Luck holds out only so long...

 

[Dodge]

I will second the motion on Mesaba having some real goofs. Luckily they are all relatively senior and are managements' friends, so they will be around for years to come.

 

[8HRRULE]

Oh STFU.... I'm guessing your the same kind of Mesaba pilot that solicited help from the Pinnacle pilots in your strike effort on late '03 early '04, then once you signed that POS TA, went back to hating all of us. No matter how many of my 10 days off I got that month went to sitting in YOUR strike center answering YOUR phones. Some days the Pinnacle pilots in the strike center totaled more than the Mesaba pilots!

Hows that for solidarity? Oh but now, one year later, we're all whores and bad sticks again. "@!#$ Pinnacle, they're STEALING our flying!" You ever heard of the law of averages? Every company, no matter how big, or how small will experience theese kinds of times.

How are you going to react if your comapny is next? Will you step up and defend Mesaba?

The sad part is that you are the vocal majority of your company. I heard more hatrid from your ranks than any other. I nary got a nod from a MSA pilot in my whole time at Pinnacle. I'm sure MSA has a bunch of nice guys/gals working for it. Why do you think you can even have that holier than thou attitude? It boggles the mind.

Unexperienced and experienced people screw up too. I find it sick and disturbing that people are getting off on other people's mistakes. Everyone always needs a whipping-boy, it's sad. Most of you feel the need to slam another airline, and if you don't you don't feel complete. Your probaly the same guy who as a kid would make fun of the "unpopular" kids because it was what everybody else was doing.

It sickens me, it really does.

Enjoy your industry-leading Saab rates.... I'm glad I sacrificed my time and effort for YOUR pilots only to find my friends still at Pinnacle being called isiots by the same group.

YOU are what is wrong with this industry.



--T

Ex-PCL

Pinnacle Management stole Mesabas flying, not the pilots. Even though Pinnacle pilots make the lowest fo rates anywhere and no pay during training and no room during training and lowest captain rates anywhere. These are all just incidental. It is Pinnacle Management.

 

[Rook]

Pinnacle Management stole Mesabas flying, not the pilots. Even though Pinnacle pilots make the lowest fo rates anywhere and no pay during training and no room during training and lowest captain rates anywhere. These are all just incidental. It is Pinnacle Management.

How can you say this? 9E mgmt doesn't do a thing until given the order from higher up. NWA mgmt gave more flying to 9E as a whipsaw tactic. Sad but true.

Rook

Looks like a high overcast.
Better ask for Type IV.

 

[The_Russian]

I'll take a 2,000 freight dog F/O out of YIP or anywhere in the Northeast Corridor or even a 2,000 Lear F/O over a 300, 500, or even 600 hour guy every day of the week and twice on Tuesday. There IS no substitute for experience.

Yeah, but they gotta share if they bring a box of Good & Plenty. GIA guys know how to share. In fact, I have a T-shirt that says I know how to share.

Yes experience is a must, especially in a winter wonderland. I had a good winter flying instructor when I was flying a C550 for a while. Now I fly around FL and watch CPT's freak out when trace forms!

"Blow the boots!!!!"

That's why I don't worry about the GIA guys and gals who upgrade - by the time they have the flight time to upgrade, they've seen a couple of winters, know the airplane, and have learned most of the important legal and company "gotchas". What worries me are the type of CA's who are hired straight in off of flying a Navajo and a Caravan in Florida or upgrade within 3 or 4 months; they meet the minimums but have ZERO relevant experience to be in that seat. Pair one of those up with a 600 hour GIA new-hire and you have a recipe for trouble.

Thats a fine statement. A lot of those guys are students of mine. They will grow into fine pilots one day.

 

[NuGuy]

I'll take a 2,000 freight dog F/O out of YIP or anywhere in the Northeast Corridor or even a 2,000 Lear F/O over a 300, 500, or even 600 hour guy every day of the week and twice on Tuesday. g.

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today!

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Cut the Cr4p

Way too much testoterone in here, boys. The comment on how many a/c Mesaba pilots have broken was classless and inappropriate. XJ guys, I'm proud of our record too, but stupid mistakes catch up to everyone. I've done 'em. And will continue to do different ones again, despite having learned from my earlier mistakes. And about the "high and mighty" comment. Yes, I'm proud of my fellow pilot group, but I attempt everyday to acknowledge everyone, whether XJ OR 9E when passing in the hall in DTW. It's not about the uniform, kids. It's about common courtesy. This thread needs to end.

MM

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Well said.

 

[sligo1]

Enough is Enough

I don't write too many posts on this website and now I know why. I am a 9E new hire CA, with plenty of jet time to understand whats going on.Pinnacle has plenty of good pilots, as many as I've seen at the four other airlines that I have flown for. Are there bad pilots here? I'm sure they exist as they do any where else. As far as the recent tragic event at 9E, well there were alot of unfortunate things that lead up to the disaster. I don't like reading all this bull*hit from monday morning quaterbacks that have little or no experience with high alttitude flight characteristics, in swept wing aircraft. Every airline seems to get " bad streaks", coincidence? Bad luck? Who knows, but don't blame fellow pilots-were all trained to 121 standards-even the Gulfstream Guys and Gals with low time. By the way the biggest failure rate at most airlines is 135 and 91 pilots without crew training.

 

[8HRRULE]

I don't write too many posts on this website and now I know why. I am a 9E new hire CA, with plenty of jet time to understand whats going on.Pinnacle has plenty of good pilots, as many as I've seen at the four other airlines that I have flown for. Are there bad pilots here? I'm sure they exist as they do any where else. As far as the recent tragic event at 9E, well there were alot of unfortunate things that lead up to the disaster. I don't like reading all this bull*hit from monday morning quaterbacks that have little or no experience with high alttitude flight characteristics, in swept wing aircraft. Every airline seems to get " bad streaks", coincidence? Bad luck? Who knows, but don't blame fellow pilots-were all trained to 121 standards-even the Gulfstream Guys and Gals with low time. By the way the biggest failure rate at most airlines is 135 and 91 pilots without crew training.

My point exactly. Gulfstream training gets the job done.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Guys.....anybody can pass a checkride if given enough chances. Hell, they give you a profile, and run you through exactly what is going to happen, event after event.

500 hours is 500 hours. I was dangerous at 500 hours. I sure as hell didn't have any business flying a regional jet around. None of these guys do either. Get some experience, then come back.

 

[sligo1]

Get some experience?

Right from the horses mouth.

Lets see you have flown Citations either 91 or 135. Well buddy let me tell you the CE-500 type is a dime a dozen. Go take a 121 check ride then come talk to me. I have three type ratings from Simuflite and Flight Safety ( DA-900, IA-1124 and CE-500 ) non of which are even close to a 121 ride. You have a point about lower time pilots, but they don't sit left seat.

 

[8HRRULE]

Guys.....anybody can pass a checkride if given enough chances. Hell, they give you a profile, and run you through exactly what is going to happen, event after event.

500 hours is 500 hours. I was dangerous at 500 hours. I sure as hell didn't have any business flying a regional jet around. None of these guys do either. Get some experience, then come back.

Tell that to management. Tell that to the FAA. Until then.............................DEAL WITH IT!

 

[CapnVegetto]

Did you notice the CL-65 on there man? I've taken a 121 ride. Piece of cake. An ATP is an ATP. I actually graduated #1 in my class.

Try again dude.

 

[SiuDude]

Right from the horses mouth.

Lets see you have flown Citations either 91 or 135. Well buddy let me tell you the CE-500 type is a dime a dozen. Go take a 121 check ride then come talk to me. I have three type ratings from Simuflite and Flight Safety ( DA-900, IA-1124 and CE-500 ) non of which are even close to a 121 ride. You have a point about lower time pilots, but they don't sit left seat.

My type rating can beat up your type rating.