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starcheckdriver
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Why did I get designated as the hit man for this? I don't want to be the one signing the letter!
1. Seniority # --strict adherence when bidding on positions
2. Pay scale
3. OT pay---across the board for everyone..Without being forced to work OT.
4. Hotels---????????
5. FAC
6. SOP;s standardization training( for PA )
I can type something up and take it there first thing in the morning if yall want. I have already typed one for number 5 & 6 but not sure if I should send it.
2. Pay scale
3. OT pay---across the board for everyone..Without being forced to work OT.
4. Hotels---????????
5. FAC
6. SOP;s standardization training( for PA )
I can type something up and take it there first thing in the morning if yall want. I have already typed one for number 5 & 6 but not sure if I should send it.
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Some thoughts about what we plan to suggest:
1. Seniority: As of now, at JR at least, it means very, very little. It should mean more. I have to disagree with osy007 and agree with Elmo a little on this. Complete disregard for everything else BUT seniority could be chaotic. Our base structure and living/travel arrangements are inherently different than the airlines. I was thinking about a bidding system something like this:
a. Open position in a fixed base: available to all pre-qualified pilots based on seniority alone. (current base and type NOT considered)
b. Open position in a floating aircraft: available to all pre-qualified pilots based on seniority alone. (current base and type NOT considered)
c. A/C lost from base, then new a/c of same type replaces it: Pilots in that base are given first priority, based on seniority within the base (must be pre-qualified in the type. New aircraft type [such as G4 replacing a LR60] would revert to scenario [a.].)
d. New A/C added to base (regardless of type): available to all pre-qualified pilots based on seniority alone. (Current base and type NOT considered)
e. New A/C type added to certificate: available to all pre-qualified pilots based on seniority. (Current base and type NOT considered) However, if no one in the company can be found pre-qualified, external hiring should take place. Not contract pilots, but pilots hired on a temporary basis (as in a year or two) to continue revenue service WHILE internally bid SIC positions help amass time necessary in type to take over as PIC in the airframe. As an alternative to the aforementioned, it could be required that two of the positions be filled externally with qualified pilots who enter our system permanently, and that one or two more of the SIC positions be exclusively required to be filled from within to guarantee some semblance of movement toward these large aircraft types.
2. Payscale: A progressive payscale similar to other companies that rewards more than a cost of living increase each year for time in service. Also, would provide for great equity among similarly-qualified pilots operating the same aircraft in the same seat position. Similarly, differences in pay between certain types should be eliminated, e.g. all Lear series should pay the same on the standard scale, considering the complexity and qualification of job task, not the revenue potential of the airframe. In the situation of larger aircraft such as Falcons and Gulfstreams, it is understood that these are inherently more demanding and complex pilot positions that require more renumeration.
3. Overtime: Current Jetride system, basically. Captains will be paid $300 a day and first officers $250. Overtime is strictly voluntary.
4. Per Diem: TBD. Pilots should expect to stay at least at Hampton Inns or similar quality hotels at no expense to themselves.
5. Uniforms: I'd like for the pilots to have some input as to the style, even if they don't take the advice. Also, especially since the company will ultimately pick the uniform, they should pick up the tab. Gas stations pay for their employee uniforms. If we are to pay for our own, then they should enforce a standard, not a specific type uniform.
Give me your thoughts. Just thought this might be a good starting block for what to bring to the table next friday.
1. Seniority: As of now, at JR at least, it means very, very little. It should mean more. I have to disagree with osy007 and agree with Elmo a little on this. Complete disregard for everything else BUT seniority could be chaotic. Our base structure and living/travel arrangements are inherently different than the airlines. I was thinking about a bidding system something like this:
a. Open position in a fixed base: available to all pre-qualified pilots based on seniority alone. (current base and type NOT considered)
b. Open position in a floating aircraft: available to all pre-qualified pilots based on seniority alone. (current base and type NOT considered)
c. A/C lost from base, then new a/c of same type replaces it: Pilots in that base are given first priority, based on seniority within the base (must be pre-qualified in the type. New aircraft type [such as G4 replacing a LR60] would revert to scenario [a.].)
d. New A/C added to base (regardless of type): available to all pre-qualified pilots based on seniority alone. (Current base and type NOT considered)
e. New A/C type added to certificate: available to all pre-qualified pilots based on seniority. (Current base and type NOT considered) However, if no one in the company can be found pre-qualified, external hiring should take place. Not contract pilots, but pilots hired on a temporary basis (as in a year or two) to continue revenue service WHILE internally bid SIC positions help amass time necessary in type to take over as PIC in the airframe. As an alternative to the aforementioned, it could be required that two of the positions be filled externally with qualified pilots who enter our system permanently, and that one or two more of the SIC positions be exclusively required to be filled from within to guarantee some semblance of movement toward these large aircraft types.
2. Payscale: A progressive payscale similar to other companies that rewards more than a cost of living increase each year for time in service. Also, would provide for great equity among similarly-qualified pilots operating the same aircraft in the same seat position. Similarly, differences in pay between certain types should be eliminated, e.g. all Lear series should pay the same on the standard scale, considering the complexity and qualification of job task, not the revenue potential of the airframe. In the situation of larger aircraft such as Falcons and Gulfstreams, it is understood that these are inherently more demanding and complex pilot positions that require more renumeration.
3. Overtime: Current Jetride system, basically. Captains will be paid $300 a day and first officers $250. Overtime is strictly voluntary.
4. Per Diem: TBD. Pilots should expect to stay at least at Hampton Inns or similar quality hotels at no expense to themselves.
5. Uniforms: I'd like for the pilots to have some input as to the style, even if they don't take the advice. Also, especially since the company will ultimately pick the uniform, they should pick up the tab. Gas stations pay for their employee uniforms. If we are to pay for our own, then they should enforce a standard, not a specific type uniform.
Give me your thoughts. Just thought this might be a good starting block for what to bring to the table next friday.
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osy007
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Thinking about it...........easy to start up......To set up a php website should only take a couple of days, and a week to figure out how to run it...It's just getting off my lazy ass, that's the hard part....
I do agree with dick cheney on the seniority issue completely.
If MacPilot wants to send in the issues, I am fine with that.....All 6 issues.
Just state in the bottom that we as a pilot group are in agreement on these issues. This will give Wynn some time to dwell on it.
starcheckdriver
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I have been debating this the past few days and thought it would be a good idea. Starcheck55.com is hosted through a 3rd party company and the founder of that site pays $10 a month or $120 a year. I would be willing to put something like that together, but don't want the burden of the cost.
Would pilots be willing to pay a small fee to join? I figure maybe 30-40 would join so that would be $3-$4 per pilot, per year. Any thoughts?
The proposed site would be www.pinnaride.com to avoid any chance of a customer stumbling upon it.
osy007
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I like Wynn...If anyone is able to get the job done it's him. He's a smart cookie.
Just imagine if Robert Austin was still in charge, and his little rat helper (chris cumberland).. Holy poop stains, I'd be outta here....And Matt G to tell you lies about everything.
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osy007
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You should ....bitc*
it's funny man...You actually do look like dick cheney...except that he has more hair....
I'd pay a couple bucks for that SCD.
As far as sending in a list of items to discuss, I'd be careful saying we as a pilot group agree... it is only a handful of us on here, and while WE agree on some things, WE only represent a very small percentage of the pilot group.
Wynn, however, is very aproachable and I don't think it would be inappropriate to send him an e mail of items that a portion of the pilot group have concerns with.
As far as sending in a list of items to discuss, I'd be careful saying we as a pilot group agree... it is only a handful of us on here, and while WE agree on some things, WE only represent a very small percentage of the pilot group.
Wynn, however, is very aproachable and I don't think it would be inappropriate to send him an e mail of items that a portion of the pilot group have concerns with.
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True True
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osy007
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Oh boy...I think you should cut and paste what you sent them so we can see who in deep doggie doodoo.
Future conference call question.....
"Ah, wynn...this is osy007 from the alaska base...When do you think we will get based back in the lower 48?"
Thanks, MNR
And to think that I bought you a drink..You owe 2 dollars...LOL
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