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CX Director Flight Ops: "Young pilots don't want pensions or medical care"


Pilots turning scarce as demand takes wing
After years of layoffs and pay cuts, expansion of air travel creates shortage of qualified crews

By Julie Johnsson
Tribune staff reporter
Published February 4, 2007

For the first time since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, all major U.S. airlines are hiring pilots or recalling those laid off during the industry's five-year downturn.

But the airlines are discovering that many of the 10,000 pilots who lost their jobs during those bleak years aren't interested in returning to their old lives.

Many pilots, faced with salary cuts of 35 percent or more, moved to overseas carriers, such as Emirates Airline and Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. Others took higher-paying jobs with overnight carriers such as FedEx Corp. and United Parcel Service Inc.

Joe Marquardt, 50, left a 17-year career at Northwest Airlines last year for Emirates, as the Minnesota-based carrier phased out the DC-9 jets he flew.

He already had lost one-third of his salary in pay cuts, Marquardt said, and he faced a demotion to a smaller plane, which would mean another pay reduction.

"It got to the point where we couldn't keep the house," Marquardt said.

Now, Marquardt enjoys a life of golf and beachcombing in Dubai, as well as the free housing provided by Emirates, which employs him as a Boeing 777 captain.

"It's hard to match that back home," Marquardt said.

After slashing pilot jobs and pay to survive the last downturn, old-line carriers may find it tougher to hire pilots to keep pace with the industry's rebound, experts say. In fact, they appear to be facing a shortage in the decade ahead.

The trend is a byproduct of the loss of financial security and prestige suffered by the airlines that have long dominated U.S. travel, increased recruiting of American pilots by foreign carriers and the global boom in commercial aviation and airliner sales.

"It is a wild and crazy time, and it's really just begun," said Kit Darby, an expert on pilot hiring trends and pay. He is president of Atlanta's Air Inc.

About one-third of the world's airline pilots work in the United States, the largest market for air travel. But U.S. pilots are becoming hot commodities for overseas carriers, which need large numbers of experienced pilots to fly the fleets of wide-body aircraft they have on order from Chicago's Boeing Co. and Europe's Airbus SAS.

Boeing predicts that the total number of planes used by airlines around the world will more than double by 2025, to 35,970. To keep pace, Darby estimates airlines will need to hire more than 210,000 pilots globally, more than double the number currently working.

Moving the mandatory retirement for pilots to age 65 from age 60, as proposed by the Federal Aviation Administration last week, will help a little. Darby estimates that relaxing retirement rules will reduce U.S. airlines' hiring by about 3,800 jobs during the next five years.

"That's only a drop in the bucket compared to the need," he said. "There are many, many airplanes coming, and with them large increases in air service."



Demand from light jets

That's not including the competition for pilots that airlines will face from air taxi operators flying a new breed of jets that carry between three and five passengers.

Merrill Lynch estimates that 925 of these aircraft, known as very light jets, will be delivered by 2010. That's up from the 21 jets that rolled out of factories in 2006. And all of these planes will need certified jet pilots in their cockpits.

Don Osmundson, vice president for flight operations at Florida-based DayJet Corp., said his company plans to hire about five pilots for each of the 239 Eclipse 500 jets it has on order.

Once it passes regulatory hurdles, DayJet plans to fly business travelers to destinations of their choosing in Florida and, eventually, other states in the Southeast. DayJet doesn't plan to fly on weekends, and its pilots will return to their home bases every evening.

Osmundson hopes that will be a draw for airline pilots, sick of a vagabond lifestyle that involves days away from home. He says DayJet has received 1,700 applications, many of them from airline pilots who either opted for early retirement or were forced from their jobs at age 60.

"The fact is that even at the major carriers, the job is not what it used to be," said Osmundson, who's a former vice president at Continental Airlines.

Many pilots still aspire to fly large aircraft for major carriers such as Elk Grove Township-based United Airlines, which has about 6,500 pilots, down from more than 10,000 in 2001. Captains at these carriers still earn six figures and have jobs that let them see the world.

But such jobs are no longer considered aviation's plum posts: Pilots' hours are longer, and their pay is lower.

United Airlines has offered jobs to all of the 2,172 pilots it furloughed, industry parlance for "laid off," during the downturn. About 1,000 of them have returned to the airline, while others passed on the initial job offers.

Now, United is moving through its list of furloughed pilots, whittled down to about 800, for a second and final time as it plans to add 300 pilots this year.

"Guys have to make a decision whether they're coming back to United or not," said Steven Derebey, a Boeing 737 captain at United and spokesman for its pilots union. "When they reach the end of that
  • , they will have to start looking to the outside for new pilots."

    FedEx and UPS, whose pilots were once derided as "cargo dogs," have long since displaced United Airlines, US Airways and Delta Air Lines at the top of the pay scale in the United States. The most senior pilots at the freight carriers earn about $40,000 more annually than their counterparts at the old-line carriers.

    Foreign flag carriers, who would not have contemplated luring pilots from the major U.S. airlines during the 1990s, are holding recruiting drives here.

    Cathay Pacific hired about 55 American pilots last year to fly its Boeing 747 cargo planes, said Nick Rhodes, director of flight operations for the Hong Kong-based airline.

    Cathay, which has a cargo base in Chicago, plans to add 65 U.S. pilots this year and close to 100 in 2008, said Rhodes. About 10 percent of the carrier's 2,100 pilots are Americans, most of whom joined the airline during the past three to four years.

    The six major U.S. airlines are adding pilots to replace those lost to retirement and attrition, and to keep operations moving smoothly as they keep their airplanes in the air for longer stretches of time.

    So far, Continental Airlines and Delta Air Lines are the only two who are seeking new pilots. Continental Airlines plans to hire 336 pilots in 2007, after adding 491 in 2006. Delta Air Lines, which saw a large number of pilots take early retirement, plans to hire 200 pilots during 2007.

    American Airlines, meanwhile, began recalling the first of its furloughed pilots in January. The nation's largest airline plans to rehire 70 pilots through April, then add about 30 pilots per month after that.

    US Airways plans to recall 284 pilots this year, while Northwest Airlines says it will rehire 150 pilots in the first six months of 2007.

    The carriers will need to step up hiring as they replenish their aircraft fleets, something Boeing executives predict will happen during the next two years. And that's when the real hiring crunch will begin, Darby predicted.



    Training adds to cost

    Airlines will face large training costs to bring on the new cadres of pilots, an expense most haven't encountered since 2001. And any shortages could give pilots unions additional leverage to seek higher wages from the carriers.

    "It's a huge need, and they're going to be working hard to solve it," Darby said.

    Others are more optimistic.

    "It's possible you'll see some spot shortages, but I really don't think you'll see long-term shortages," said economist Daniel Kasper, managing director and head of the transportation practice at LECG Group, a Boston-based consulting group.

    "To the extent that airlines are having trouble finding pilots, salaries will go up, and that will draw military pilots."

    Even so, old-line carriers no longer can claim a monopoly on hiring the best and the brightest pilots.

    The best recruiters, the overseas airliners are discovering, are the pilots themselves. Marquardt, for one, has started a blog for pilots pondering following in his footsteps.

    Cathay Pacific is drawing pilots in their mid-30s from the likes of United Airlines, who are impatient to fly the new Boeing 777 and 747 aircraft. They would have to wait a decade for such jets at American carriers, which reserve their biggest aircraft for pilots with the most seniority.

    "Young pilots don't think about [pensions] or medical care. They just want to strap themselves into a new 777," Rhodes said.


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...i-business-hed
 
No, I do care about pensions and medical care. I'll fly the friggin' baggage cart around for 30 years if it pays $150K a year.
 
Uh, what's Green's problem with $150k? I've been there and it's enough to pay the bills. I'm not there anymore and it looks pretty F'in good... I fly a COOL plane but it doesn't pay $150k.

On topic: Kit Darby once again proves he's a genius. How long has he been predicting a "hiring boom"? :rolleyes:

Would someone tell Merill Lynch that VLJ's are just todays turboprops? :rolleyes: TC
 
A telling sign if the pilot pool is running low if PFT places start closing shop due to lack of "customers".
 
So far, Continental Airlines and Delta Air Lines are the only two who are seeking new pilots. Continental Airlines plans to hire 336 pilots in 2007, after adding 491 in 2006. Delta Air Lines, which saw a large number of pilots take early retirement, plans to hire 200 pilots during 2007.

Forgot about Southwest??
 
Southwest plans to hire 600-650 pilots this year.
 
Green, why don't you do us a favor and get out of aviation. My point was, I don't care the size of the jet, I think pilots should be paid a decent wage and I think my family should have medical benefits and I want my pension, so what the hell is wrong with that???

I think we (pilots) are our own worst enemies, always undermining and undercutting each other to get in the bigger plane or the new route, usually for less money...

I would rather fly a beat up old DC-9 on short domestic hops and make $150K with medical benefits and a pension than fly a shiny new 777 half way around the world and make less, with no medical benefits or pension. THAT WAS MY POINT.
 
I believe the shortage is being felt everwhere. The problem for the airlines is, there is money elsewhere. Pilots would rather have the money than the BS.
 
Hi!

What I've read lately:
2006 was BY FAR the best year ever for new jets ordered from EVERY (except maybe Airbus) manufacturer of jet aircraft.

Student pilot starts are down over 50% in the US over the last 5 years.

Aviation growth is EXPLODING in India and China. Currently ERJ-190 type-rated pilots can start as off-the-street captains in India for $100K USD!

Many regional airlines are TRYING to fill their classes with pilots with barely their commercial license. Some are being hired with less than 250 TT. Those classes are going unfilled.

Some airline Mgrs are talking about Ab-Initio hiring to meet their needs. Europe (JAR regs) are studying raising the forced retirement age to 70, partly because of the pilot shortage.

In my industry, some of our competitors have planes parked because of lack of crews.

I'm excited about the great job prospects and salary increases in the future!

cliff
GRB
 
When SWA calls me for an interview HIRES me, then I'll truly know there's a pilot shortage. When start ups can't find people to fly these shiny new planes for less than 70 grand a year, when merits not daddy allows people to obtain interviews, only then will there really be a pilot shortage. Otherwise, it's just smoke and mirrors.

SWA, CAL, FEDEX, UPS, JBlue, AirTran, DAL and any others I may have left out have PLENTY (thousands) of qualified applicants on file and still can afford to be very selective. I believe this trend may go on for a while, too many rich parents that want to send their kid to flight school just cause it's a neat job.
 
On topic: Kit Darby once again proves he's a genius. How long has he been predicting a "hiring boom"? [/quote]

Kitty Darby is a tool! (What the hell kind of a name is Kit anyway?) He has preyed on the young and dumb for years. Getting fat off the hopes and dreams of the weak minded. How he can keep a straight face while premoting himself is beyond me. Ego maniac.

Do yourself a favor and get an education. Maybe then you won't believe everything you read.
 
pilot shortage what a joke. I have been hearing about the upcoming pilot shortage since I started paying attention to it in the early 80's

Quick, send your money to the flight academy now! from zero time to the airlines in just 6 short months. Just look at the shining examples of such "aviators" in the pages of you latest flying rag.
 
Hi!


Aviation growth is EXPLODING in India and China. Currently ERJ-190 type-rated pilots can start as off-the-street captains in India for $100K USD!

I'm excited about the great job prospects and salary increases in the future!

Hi!?!?
Why the exclamation point? Move to India as a type rated airline pilot and you are excited about $100K? Hel#, that's nothing to get excited about in Indiana much less INDIA.
 
Aviation growth is EXPLODING in India and China. Currently ERJ-190 type-rated pilots can start as off-the-street captains in India for $100K USD!

I'm glad you are excited, but can I just say...whoop de freeking doo.

I can move to India to fly a DC9 size airplane for only $100k with no pension, no bridge healthcare, etc etc.:eek:

Sounds like crap to me. Granted, I suppose that is good for year one pay, but from a career perspective, that doesn't compare to what pilot of that size aircraft used to make. At home in the U.S. With a pension and other bennies.

Turbo
 
What a stupid article.

1) They're called "Freight Dogs", not "Cargo Dogs"

2) EK pilots get paid squat. Great benefits, nice housing, everyone calls you "Captain". But at the end of the day you live in DXB, most flights are in the dark and tha pay is on the bottom rung! That gets old after the honeymoon is over.

3) CX, decent choice but try making it in HK... commuting back to the states is harder than you think. Pilot DO CARE about retirment and medical. Pay and benefits before aircraft selection.

4) There is no pilot shortage. US Carriers still pay the most, though foreign carriers are catching up.


Everyone wants to fly something big, powerful, comfortable, and new... but after 90 days an airplane is an airplane. Once you get over the initial joy of flying something new you'd better be ready to face the reality of a long career with the carrier you've chosen. Its not about the airplane, its all about Quality of Life.





One good thing I liked though, at least the NW guy voted with his feet. That takes balls but I'm afraid he did it due a bad case of SJS rather than as a statement.
 
Asia will be the market in the forefront of pilot recruiting in the near future, quite a bit of very lucrative contracts with US pilot bases coming. CX for example, already has pilot bases in SFO,JFK. The ANA group is planning a near future Chicago base for their 767 cargo fleet. And JALWays already bases pilots in Hawaii. This will be the hiring strategy in the next few years from the Asian carriers that have more heavy jet orders that just about everyone.
I can move to India to fly a DC9 size airplane for only $100k with no pension, no bridge healthcare, etc etc.:eek:
Sorry, but some of these contracts out there pay a LOT more than that, with retirement, medical. Like everything, there are not so good gigs in the international arena, but there are some very good ones too.
 
Sorry, but some of these contracts out there pay a LOT more than that, with retirement, medical. Like everything, there are not so good gigs in the international arena, but there are some very good ones too.

He is right, I dont work in India, but I am overseas. The 100k is just the cash compensation (80k is tax free from IRS). I have worldwide healthcare, free housing (1800sq ft house), free schooling (American International school), life insurance, loss of medical, a space positive ride anywhere in their world wide system once each month, 2 free tickets each year for each dependant and regular discount travel. At end of contract (3 years), they pay a healthy completion bonus (50k+).

Every year I get a 5% base rate increase. Average of 11-13 days off each month. (I am only second year seniority)

I live in a country where the cost of living is 50% of what it is in the USA. Even with a maid, gardner and a driver, a 1/3 of my base pay and all of my overtime goes to the bank.

It isnt a life for everyone, but I love it and so does my family.
 
captain dad--On the Kit Darby comment: I was being as sarcastic as one can possibly be. I am very well educated in the aviation business.

maximizer--Regarding the GV "B scale": I live in a low-cost part of the country and no one has ever left for better compensation. There's a stack of resumes as high as the tail of the airplane. They don't HAVE to pay more...

TV9--Check your PM's. TC
 

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