Pilots expected to picket Warren Buffett-owned NetJets

[Pervis]

And this may be why your oreos were ferried in on another plane. As you know our owners expect perfection with thier large investment.

They expect and get perfection from their pilots too. I bet they are willing to pay for that too.

 

[Diesel]

If the going rate in the McDs industry is .07 and I'm paying .09, sure I might be willing to go .11, but not at the risk of shutting down. At this point, I don't think think any of us know how far apart the two groups are. Maybe they're in the same neighborhood. The idea I get reading some of these posts are that "we have a demand, and there is no negotiation room".



Just because the person in the back is wealthy, doesn't mean anything. I still think the 737 pilot is generating more revenue day to day than you do. You likely work harder and have the same ratings with more responsibilities, but the business models are different. I'll bet our maintenance costs are higher. Our utilization rate (owner vs ferry) legs is much lower. We cover those costs. Maybe you're right and the business model doesn't work. In my mind, I'd take my reasonable paycheck with career stability rather than force the best contract in the industry only to have the Obama economy catch up to us and lose my job in 3 years.



I'm not saying your opinion is wrong nor am I saying you're not worth it. I just don't understand the "id rather not have a job" ideology.



300 was a number I threw out there. I have no idea what the number is.



I haven't seen any propaganda shaming anyone. There was an email recently saying talks continue beyond the 90 day window with regards to financials, but I didn't perceive it as bashing the union.



SG

That's because you think not have any proof.

Didn't you ever see the Peter Greenberg episode a day in the life of American Airlines. The plane landed and it brought 10 dollars of profit.

I'd say I generate way more profit than that after a flight.

 

[Diesel]

And scheduling kickbacks don't happen at our brand. If anyone is going to say otherwise, you have 3 avenues to report it.



SG

Hahaaaa. Hahaaaa.

Jesus you don't remember the PayPal scandal?

 

[Diesel]

And this may be why your oreos were ferried in on another plane. As you know our owners expect perfection with thier large investment.

Too bad there were Oreos at the destination on the plane that it was being brought to.

The owners expect perfection from the pilots.

Nobody expects perfection from Columbus. Pilots or owners.

 

[msculley6905]

Too bad there were Oreos at the destination on the plane that it was being brought to.

The owners expect perfection from the pilots.

Nobody expects perfection from Columbus. Pilots or owners.

What an incredibly arrogant thing to say. Enjoy your fight. Out.

 

[Pervis]

Too bad there were Oreos at the destination on the plane that it was being brought to.

The owners expect perfection from the pilots.

Nobody expects perfection from Columbus. Pilots or owners.

Funny how easy it is for the Bridgeway folks to justify such needless and enormous waste rather than fix the problem and pay their fellow employees market wages. Those fixes may even give them well deserved raises and still give the Ogre his profit.

 

[Diesel]

What an incredibly arrogant thing to say. Enjoy your fight. Out.

It isn't arrogance it's the truth.

We are the last line of defense.

Perfection is synonymous with safety and everyone getting home to their families.

It isn't arrogance it's a fact and a goal for every day and every trip and every minute of that day.

That's why we are getting paid to say no when everyone around is pushing and saying yes.

Because we are the last line of defense. Perfection is what keeps us alive.

 

[Some guy]

Hard to blame them. In the service industry, NOTHING is more expensive than low employee morale. It's a pricey lesson for NJ to learn, but they're learning it...slowly.

I wasn't blaming anyone for anything. You almost make it sound like airplanes break more often when morale is low.

SG

 

[Some guy]

That is correct. This has to do with the egregious discrepancy between what NJ pays and what a top level professional aviator actually earns. The company needs to update their payscales to a realistic level...there's really nothing to negotiate there.



Oh but it does. It means (generally speaking) that they have the financial capacity to pay what is necessary for the product they demand...including price increases if necessary - far more so than the general public.



I don't care. There is a going rate for my services and NJ isn't paying anywhere near it. This will be remedied one way or another.



NJ does not currently pay a "reasonable" wage...not even close.



That's the only thing these people understand, so it becomes a necessary approach.

Thanks for being candid and helping me understand. The only follow up I have is your statement about how owners can afford it, so they should pay up. Should a restaurant charge its customers based on their ability to pay? If you and I go in there, should you get charged more than me for the same plate?

SG

 

[Some guy]

Funny. The company-imposed deadline passes and the management FUD machine starts back up, right on schedule.

Who was spreading FUD? I've asked a few questions after seeing the "shut this place down" comments. I haven't disagreed nor told anyone they're wrong...just asking questions. I'm not seeing much else interest aside from myself. All I said was give it a little time. Both sides started at step one 90 days ago. It didn't get done, so give them a little time. I believe the EMT wants to resolve this too.

SG

 

[Some guy]

Hahaaaa. Hahaaaa.

Jesus you don't remember the PayPal scandal?

Was that when 2 schedulers were investigated something about mortgage payments or something? Those two were out of work for a month pending investigation. The investigation tried to determine if a certain scheduler was getting money for mortgage payments...even though she didn't have a mortgage.

If it were true, that was more than 10 years ago anyway. If you think something is going on now, report it.

SG

 

[Some guy]

What an incredibly arrogant thing to say. Enjoy your fight. Out.

They are arrogant people, what do you expect? They think everyone in CMH is their enemy and don't hesitate to tell everyone who reads this forum how inept we are. They can do that when they are perfect.

SG

 

[Diesel]

Was that when 2 schedulers were investigated something about mortgage payments or something? Those two were out of work for a month pending investigation. The investigation tried to determine if a certain scheduler was getting money for mortgage payments...even though she didn't have a mortgage.



If it were true, that was more than 10 years ago anyway. If you think something is going on now, report it.



SG

Lol that was nice revisionist history.

Try two schedulers with a pay pal account for extended days.

 

[gutshotdraw]

If any legacy carrier pilots are reading this, how many hours per year on average do you fly? I'm going to take a wild guess and say ours fly maybe 400 hours per year?

SG

But we're on DUTY way more than any major airline pilot. And I KNOW that because I am married to a retired Northwest pilot.

 

[Some guy]

Lol that was nice revisionist history.

Try two schedulers with a pay pal account for extended days.

I guess. I don't know the details. My point was it isn't happening now.

SG

 

[Some guy]

But we're on DUTY way more than any major airline pilot. And I KNOW that because I am married to a retired Northwest pilot.

100% agreed...no need to justify to me. 98% of you do more than anyone I know.

SG

 

[Diesel]

I guess. I don't know the details. My point was it isn't happening now.



SG

Oh that was your point? I was confused by the lack of facts and knowledge.

 

[Some guy]

Oh that was your point? I was confused by the lack of facts and knowledge.

The first mention of it was corruption in scheduling. I said it isn't happening now. Yes that was my point. Then someone wanted to bring up ancient history. I said I knew of it, but didn't know the details...it's irrelevant now anyways. I keep forgetting that in your eyes you know everything. Only your viewpoint counts.

If you want to discuss that situation, how do you know your facts are correct? Both employees returned, and they're not even protected. So tell me some facts and how did you get details of an internal investigation?
SG

 

[realityman]

Thanks for being candid and helping me understand. The only follow up I have is your statement about how owners can afford it, so they should pay up. Should a restaurant charge its customers based on their ability to pay? If you and I go in there, should you get charged more than me for the same plate?

SG

Of course not.

But if I choose to dine at a Ruth's Chris Steak House I expect to pay a great deal more than at a TGI Fridays. And if Ruth's Chris Steak House says it's raising its rates a little in order to attract and retain the best chefs, well, if I'm able to afford to dine there already I doubt a 10-15% hike on prices will slow me down.

If I've CHOSEN to spend a great deal more money for a fine dining experience, then I don't mind paying what it takes to be provided with the best dining experience possible.

I find it hard to believe that the owners in our program, who have paid millions for a share, pay monthly management fees, and pay pricey hourly fees would really balk at paying, day, an extra $80k/year to insure they continue to be flown by the most experienced pilots around. While that sounds like a lot of money, it's pocket change to these individuals and companies. It's the equivalent of Delta raising fares by $20-$50 for us.

My bigger concern isn't whether they'll pay more for great pilots, it's that our company isn't providing them the value they expect for the money. Unfortunately, as pilots we don't control that part of the equation. We only know what our going rate is. Well, most of us anyway.

 

[Diesel]

The first mention of it was corruption in scheduling. I said it isn't happening now. Yes that was my point. Then someone wanted to bring up ancient history. I said I knew of it, but didn't know the details...it's irrelevant now anyways. I keep forgetting that in your eyes you know everything. Only your viewpoint counts.



If you want to discuss that situation, how do you know your facts are correct? Both employees returned, and they're not even protected. So tell me some facts and how did you get details of an internal investigation?

SG

Yeah because nj is great at keeping secrets. Both employees returned because they had to bring them back. Too many people involved.

I think the only thing that was really hurt was the wall.

Nothing is irrelevant because if we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. I guess if hansel had done a little more studying his history he would have learned something from Boisture.

Oh well I'm sure he loves running his little office in Columbus. Shame he had to sell that nice house though.