Pilots expected to picket Warren Buffett-owned NetJets

[Some guy]

Hahaaaa. Hahaaaa.

Jesus you don't remember the PayPal scandal?

Was that when 2 schedulers were investigated something about mortgage payments or something? Those two were out of work for a month pending investigation. The investigation tried to determine if a certain scheduler was getting money for mortgage payments...even though she didn't have a mortgage.

If it were true, that was more than 10 years ago anyway. If you think something is going on now, report it.

SG

 

[Some guy]

What an incredibly arrogant thing to say. Enjoy your fight. Out.

They are arrogant people, what do you expect? They think everyone in CMH is their enemy and don't hesitate to tell everyone who reads this forum how inept we are. They can do that when they are perfect.

SG

 

[Diesel]

Was that when 2 schedulers were investigated something about mortgage payments or something? Those two were out of work for a month pending investigation. The investigation tried to determine if a certain scheduler was getting money for mortgage payments...even though she didn't have a mortgage.



If it were true, that was more than 10 years ago anyway. If you think something is going on now, report it.



SG

Lol that was nice revisionist history.

Try two schedulers with a pay pal account for extended days.

 

[gutshotdraw]

If any legacy carrier pilots are reading this, how many hours per year on average do you fly? I'm going to take a wild guess and say ours fly maybe 400 hours per year?

SG

But we're on DUTY way more than any major airline pilot. And I KNOW that because I am married to a retired Northwest pilot.

 

[Some guy]

Lol that was nice revisionist history.

Try two schedulers with a pay pal account for extended days.

I guess. I don't know the details. My point was it isn't happening now.

SG

 

[Some guy]

But we're on DUTY way more than any major airline pilot. And I KNOW that because I am married to a retired Northwest pilot.

100% agreed...no need to justify to me. 98% of you do more than anyone I know.

SG

 

[Diesel]

I guess. I don't know the details. My point was it isn't happening now.



SG

Oh that was your point? I was confused by the lack of facts and knowledge.

 

[Some guy]

Oh that was your point? I was confused by the lack of facts and knowledge.

The first mention of it was corruption in scheduling. I said it isn't happening now. Yes that was my point. Then someone wanted to bring up ancient history. I said I knew of it, but didn't know the details...it's irrelevant now anyways. I keep forgetting that in your eyes you know everything. Only your viewpoint counts.

If you want to discuss that situation, how do you know your facts are correct? Both employees returned, and they're not even protected. So tell me some facts and how did you get details of an internal investigation?
SG

 

[realityman]

Thanks for being candid and helping me understand. The only follow up I have is your statement about how owners can afford it, so they should pay up. Should a restaurant charge its customers based on their ability to pay? If you and I go in there, should you get charged more than me for the same plate?

SG

Of course not.

But if I choose to dine at a Ruth's Chris Steak House I expect to pay a great deal more than at a TGI Fridays. And if Ruth's Chris Steak House says it's raising its rates a little in order to attract and retain the best chefs, well, if I'm able to afford to dine there already I doubt a 10-15% hike on prices will slow me down.

If I've CHOSEN to spend a great deal more money for a fine dining experience, then I don't mind paying what it takes to be provided with the best dining experience possible.

I find it hard to believe that the owners in our program, who have paid millions for a share, pay monthly management fees, and pay pricey hourly fees would really balk at paying, day, an extra $80k/year to insure they continue to be flown by the most experienced pilots around. While that sounds like a lot of money, it's pocket change to these individuals and companies. It's the equivalent of Delta raising fares by $20-$50 for us.

My bigger concern isn't whether they'll pay more for great pilots, it's that our company isn't providing them the value they expect for the money. Unfortunately, as pilots we don't control that part of the equation. We only know what our going rate is. Well, most of us anyway.

 

[Diesel]

The first mention of it was corruption in scheduling. I said it isn't happening now. Yes that was my point. Then someone wanted to bring up ancient history. I said I knew of it, but didn't know the details...it's irrelevant now anyways. I keep forgetting that in your eyes you know everything. Only your viewpoint counts.



If you want to discuss that situation, how do you know your facts are correct? Both employees returned, and they're not even protected. So tell me some facts and how did you get details of an internal investigation?

SG

Yeah because nj is great at keeping secrets. Both employees returned because they had to bring them back. Too many people involved.

I think the only thing that was really hurt was the wall.

Nothing is irrelevant because if we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. I guess if hansel had done a little more studying his history he would have learned something from Boisture.

Oh well I'm sure he loves running his little office in Columbus. Shame he had to sell that nice house though.

 

[Some guy]

Yeah because nj is great at keeping secrets. Both employees returned because they had to bring them back. Too many people involved.

I think the only thing that was really hurt was the wall.

Nothing is irrelevant because if we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. I guess if hansel had done a little more studying his history he would have learned something from Boisture.

Oh well I'm sure he loves running his little office in Columbus. Shame he had to sell that nice house though.

So you don't really have a solid reference for what you know aside from heresy. I can't dispute it because I don't know and I stated I didn't know the first time it came up. Of course you berated me for not knowing even after I said I didn't know.

It is irrelevant unless you think it's happening now. If you agree it's not happening now, then why discuss it?

Agree totally with the history comment. I think back to all the majors that went bankrupt and how concessions had to be made for survival which is why earlier in this thread I agreed your group deserved much more provided it doesn't sink the company. The response I got was we might as well close the doors.

No more questions on my part. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

SG

 

[FLYLOW22]

Looks like the beginning of something more.

 

[FamilyGuy]

For the record, venue means squat, PROFIT is where the CASH is. Let there be zero doubt, at NJA profits are outpacing the majors, and they've paid off $2billion in debt in 5 years.... Hello! That's flying tiny little jets. The majors would be creaming themselves with those kind of profits!

The majority of that $2 billion in debt repayment came from selling the old aircraft out of the fleets. You can't count that as profits any more than you can count the residual value of your car when you sell it as profit.

NJA profits are decent, but pale in comparison to other Berkshire companies.

As I've said before, the pilots deserve a good raise and by all indications from both sides, they will get one.

The leaders of the company are charged with making sure the company will remain profitable in good times and bad, so they have to make decisions that balance the needs of all parties that make the NetJets team.

All this talk about matching airline pay rates is not sustainable for NetJets in the long run. Many on this board conveniently ignore all of the differences between NJ and the airlines when they make those demands.

If AJ and Bill were to agree to such demands, how long would it be until economic reality caught up with NJ, resulting in those two being deposed and NJ being saddled with another accountant or a lawyer as CEO? That's a scenario I frankly don't want to see again.

If you guys can't work with AJ and Bill then who can you work with?

 

[Diesel]

The majority of that $2 billion in debt repayment came from selling the old aircraft out of the fleets. You can't count that as profits any more than you can count the residual value of your car when you sell it as profit.

NJA profits are decent, but pale in comparison to other Berkshire companies.

As I've said before, the pilots deserve a good raise and by all indications from both sides, they will get one.

The leaders of the company are charged with making sure the company will remain profitable in good times and bad, so they have to make decisions that balance the needs of all parties that make the NetJets team.

All this talk about matching airline pay rates is not sustainable for NetJets in the long run. Many on this board conveniently ignore all of the differences between NJ and the airlines when they make those demands.

If AJ and Bill were to agree to such demands, how long would it be until economic reality caught up with NJ, resulting in those two being deposed and NJ being saddled with another accountant or a lawyer as CEO? That's a scenario I frankly don't want to see again.

If you guys can't work with AJ and Bill then who can you work with?

Good to see the spin machine is back up and running.

You could give the pilots a 200 percent raise on the waste here alone.

Oh no the sky is falling don't ask for too much you're going Netjets will never be able to pay for it.

All crap we heard during the last contract. You know you're getting close when the drums are getting louder.

 

[fischman]

A gallon of gas is $3. A tire is $150. A loaf of bread is $5. A Citation XL is $9,000,000. A NetJets pilot is $XX0,000 a year.

It's just how much stuff costs. Get ready to pay up.