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http://nypost.com/2015/08/31/pilots-...owned-netjets/

Warren Buffett's peaceful summer stand-off with NetJets pilots is about to end, The Post has learned.

The union representing 2,700 professionals at the fractional private-jet operators is expected to set up pickets lines at seven airports, including New Jersey's Teterboro, on Sept. 10 to protest the lack of progress at hammering out a new contract, a source close to the situation said on Monday.
 
this situation is becoming laughable. It's obvious that WB will never offer a fair deal to his pilots because he knows there is no REAL threat of an actual strike happening. Anybody that believes otherwise is a moron.
 
pmaestrales said:
this situation is becoming laughable. It's obvious that WB will never offer a fair deal to his pilots because he knows there is no REAL threat of an actual strike happening. Anybody that believes otherwise is a moron.
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Sounds kinda FUDish, Captain eight posts.
 
Traderd said:
http://nypost.com/2015/08/31/pilots-...owned-netjets/

Warren Buffett's peaceful summer stand-off with NetJets pilots is about to end, The Post has learned.

The union representing 2,700 professionals at the fractional private-jet operators is expected to set up pickets lines at seven airports, including New Jersey's Teterboro, on Sept. 10 to protest the lack of progress at hammering out a new contract, a source close to the situation said on Monday.
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So for a considerable length of time, the company wouldn't even talk to the union. New regime comes in and sets a goal of 90 days. After 90 days, there are some issues not yet agreed on. At least it's been discussed. Company says we'll keep working towards an agreement. Unless I'm missing something, how is that a lack of progress? Starting at square one 90 days ago, I imagine there was a lot of work to do.

I don't think there is anyone that doesn't want a fair deal done for both sides. Those of us on the other end of your phones can't wait until there's a TA.

SG
 
It's lack of progress because every issue that has any cost associated with it, is going sideways. The EMT at NJ doesn't have the power to do anything, as long as the three BRK goons who make up the majority of the board have control.

Today the Teamsters asked their membership to support the pickets on September 10th. Wear your uniform, and leave your IDs at home, we need the support of the entire industry if we are going to advance our profession.
 
ghostrider64 said:
It's lack of progress because every issue that has any cost associated with it, is going sideways. The EMT at NJ doesn't have the power to do anything, as long as the three BRK goons who make up the majority of the board have control.

Today the Teamsters asked their membership to support the pickets on September 10th. Wear your uniform, and leave your IDs at home, we need the support of the entire industry if we are going to advance our profession.
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With the pilot shortage, the marketplace will force our compensation to dramatically increase. The alternative is lots of uncrewed planes. This is good news for our negotiators.
 
G4dude said:
With the pilot shortage, the marketplace will force our compensation to dramatically increase. The alternative is lots of uncrewed planes. This is good news for our negotiators.
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There is a pilot shortage at the regional level. Not at the major level.

Netjets will probably not have a pilot shortage problem. We are better than a crappy 135 and a regional. Enough of a place for someone to come hang their hat and get a type while they wait for a call from the majors. Or if they don't like commuting that means they will just stay.

I'd rather take control of my destiny versus wait for the elusive pilot shortage.
 
Diesel said:
There is a pilot shortage at the regional level. Not at the major level.

Netjets will probably not have a pilot shortage problem. We are better than a crappy 135 and a regional. Enough of a place for someone to come hang their hat and get a type while they wait for a call from the majors. Or if they don't like commuting that means they will just stay.

I'd rather take control of my destiny versus wait for the elusive pilot shortage.
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Exactly. Worse than a major, better than a regional. I'm not going to wait for the Kit Darby promised "pilot shortage" to affect us...it won't. Time to say its been long enough.
 
ghostrider64 said:
It's lack of progress because every issue that has any cost associated with it, is going sideways. The EMT at NJ doesn't have the power to do anything, as long as the three BRK goons who make up the majority of the board have control.

Today the Teamsters asked their membership to support the pickets on September 10th. Wear your uniform, and leave your IDs at home, we need the support of the entire industry if we are going to advance our profession.
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At least they're talking. Different ends of the spectrum but at least with talking, both sides know where they stand...and they're still talking.

SG
 
Some guy said:
At least they're talking. Different ends of the spectrum but at least with talking, both sides know where they stand...and they're still talking.



SG
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Talk is cheap.
 
G4dude said:
But important. Negotiations take time, and the delay will,work in our favor by letting the shortage become more apparent. Or I could be wrong.
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You have been proven time and time again you are.

So would you be picketing if you weren't working this week?
 
Remember, I am NOT arguing against strenuous negotiations. I am delivering good news, that the shortage will help our negotiators. Regionals hire flight instructors, which are in short supply, forcing regional pay up. That increase will make it harder for NJA and the Majors to hire Regional captains, forcing our pay up. The increased industry pay will induce more people to become pilots, thus easing upward pressure on pay. This will take at least 2 years, so we we should enjoy better pay in our new contract.
 
G4dude said:
I think not. Let the negotiators do their thing.
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Sad

The negotiators are begging for more leverage. The union is begging for you to get involved.

Remember it was the company that set the 90 day benchmark and failed. Not the negotiators.

The negotiators can't do their "thing" without the support of the pilots.

just sad.
 
G4dude said:
Just curious. Are you capable of having a normal conversation without being insulting?
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That's the direction you're going?

I sure can. When I see someone making excuses and constantly being wrong I can't help but point it out.

Consider it a good Samaritan act for those sitting on the fence so long they could star in ass gapers 14.
 
G4dude said:
I think not. Let the negotiators do their thing.
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The negotiators can't do their thing without our support. There is no outside leverage to be had as the company isn't buying there's a pilot shortage.

Sorry to be so blunt, but if you're not going to support our union and our negotiators you are harming my family and I. We need a deal. We won't get one if you and others are going to be limp dicked tag alongs. Man up or resign. We're still fighting for the survival of our company along with our profession. Quite frankly, you're getting quite heavy.
 
OPECJet said:
The negotiators can't do their thing without our support. There is no outside leverage to be had as the company isn't buying there's a pilot shortage.

Sorry to be so blunt, but if you're not going to support our union and our negotiators you are harming my family and I. We need a deal. We won't get one if you and others are going to be limp dicked tag alongs. Man up or resign. We're still fighting for the survival of our company along with our profession. Quite frankly, you're getting quite heavy.
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I'm Flexjet but to copy the sentiment some are using in our own drive, A-friggin-men.

Please keep us here on Flight Info apprised of the opportunities to stand with you on the picket line. If I'm off and in town, I'll come stand with you.
 
Imissmypilot said:
I'm Flexjet but to copy the sentiment some are using in our own drive, A-friggin-men.



Please keep us here on Flight Info apprised of the opportunities to stand with you on the picket line. If I'm off and in town, I'll come stand with you.
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It is much appreciated. Any Flex pilot wearing one of our strike pins will never pay for a beer in my presence.
 
I left for a major fifteen months ago. Last month I grossed 15k plus 20 percent for retirement. G4 you are hurting peoples families. You are hurting the profession. You have been whining for the last three years and hemming and hawing like a scared little puppy. Quit being the company paid puppet. Stop working against your fellow Netjet piilots.
 
I will be missing out on 2 evenings with my kids, 30,000 points for the hotel, driving 1100 miles round trip, and will likely be rained upon to be in CMH for this.

G4, what's your excuse for not being there? When the new CBA gets voted in, are you planning on enjoying the fruits of our labor, or are you going to tell the company you don't want all the money and time off? If you are planning on taking the fruits if my labor, my time with my kids, the mileage on my vehicle, and points out of my account, (which I'm guessing you will), then you need to man up, polish your shoes, grab a sign, and walk in circles.

You need to be thanking everyone who is campaigning for your career.
 
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Very much so. I think the regime in place knows how important it is to get it done however.



SG
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If they did it would have been done by now. Or at least by their own 90 day time frame.

I'm always amazed that no matter what history has shown everyone goes back to the same playbook.

It's pretty sad actually.
 
fischman said:
I will be missing out on 2 evenings with my kids, 30,000 points for the hotel, driving 1100 miles round trip, and will likely be rained upon to be in CMH for this.

G4, what's your excuse for not being there? When the new CBA gets voted in, are you planning on enjoying the fruits of our labor, or are you going to tell the company you don't want all the money and time off? If you are planning on taking the fruits if my labor, my time with my kids, the mileage on my vehicle, and points out of my account, (which I'm guessing you will), then you need to man up, polish your shoes, grab a sign, and walk in circles.

You need to be thanking everyone who is campaigning for your career.
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Thank you for giving up time with your family so people like G4 and myself can benefit.

I'll always remember what you guys have given up to do things like that. Pilots like G4 will look back and say he was right the pilot shortage did cause the better contract.
 
G4, please just stop. Sadly you make us all look like idiots. The union NC has for almost two and one half years, asked YOU to step up. Unfortunately you believe that some economic future reality will be our savior, that's not the mind of a realist at work, it's someone that would buy snake oil....

Reality is we need all fractional pilots to,show up and help our cause, especially when the likes of G4 won't do it. He's a 1%er, that will never lift a hand, the rest of us appreciate all of your help.
 
Some guy said:
Very much so. I think the regime in place knows how important it is to get it done however.

SG
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I actually believe the regime in place DOES understand how important it is to get it done.

Problem is, the man in Omaha refuses to give them the CASH to GET it done. So, a little reminder is in order.

Dude, it's time to join the fray. It worked getting rid of the idiot lawyer, just like I told you it would. Sitting on your hands waiting for the pilot shortage fairy to grant your new salary wishes AIN'T going to make it happen.
 
I left NJA for a major a few months ago and I'll be there in DAL helping to replace at least one freeloader. Even though I don't work there anymore, a rising tide lifts all boats, and I'll do anything I can to help you guys get what you deserve. Keep fighting!
 

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