Pilot shortage?????

[pilotyip]

This is why airlines are requiring a 4 yr. degree. I can't figure out what you were trying to say.

do you have a 4 yaer degree? might be the prob

 

[LeonPhelps]

do you have a 4 yaer degree? might be the prob

As you can tell by my number of posts, I don't have much to say on here...just more of a reader. Nevertheless, it stands out that you constantly have something to say/have a chip on your shoulder about a college degree. Not flaming, just curious...what gives?

Cheers...

 

[HA25]

there will NEVER be a shortage of good pilot jobs (read Majors, Legacies).. the shortage will only exist at the $14,000/yr regional jobs. Don't bank on a shortage... and this new FAA NPRM for rest rules is only going to make it worse, with longer flight hour limits, and slim requirements for augmented crews for long haul.

 

[pilotyip]

As you can tell by my number of posts, I don't have much to say on here...just more of a reader. Nevertheless, it stands out that you constantly have something to say/have a chip on your shoulder about a college degree. Not flaming, just curious...what gives?

Cheers...

goes back a long way, maybe 2000 on the ole FI, my stance is a college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Kinda a trademark. It is my duty to counter the constant barrage of "You must go to college to be a pilot". So any chance I see to comment on the 4 yr degree, it is my duty to take stance. I have flown with too many non-degreed guys who were superior to their degreed counterparts, I have flown with pilots who got their degrees while working with me, I saw no change in their ability. Yes I know you must have one to get an interview at maany places, because of the HR club. The highest paid people in my family do not have 4 yr degrees, the lowest paid people in my family have 4 yr degrees. BTW I have 4 year degree, and Master's.

 

[dillfer]

goes back a long way, maybe 2000 on the ole FI, my stance is a college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Kinda a trademark. It is my duty to counter the constant barrage of "You must go to college to be a pilot". So any chance I see to comment on the 4 yr degree, it is my duty to take stance. I have flown with too many non-degreed guys who were superior to their degreed counterparts, I have flown with pilots who got their degrees while working with me, I saw no change in their ability. Yes I know you must have one to get an interview at maany places, because of the HR club. The highest paid people in my family do not have 4 yr degrees, the lowest paid people in my family have 4 yr degrees. BTW I have 4 year degree, and Master's.

Just a way to thin out the resume's. Can't imagine that many people would argue that you have to have a 4 year degree to fly.

 

[tankerhead]

Everyone knows that college kids can drink more and hold their alcohol better than their H.S. counterparts. You don't wanna layover with an amateur, do you?

 

[inline]

goes back a long way, maybe 2000 on the ole FI, my stance is a college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Kinda a trademark. It is my duty to counter the constant barrage of "You must go to college to be a pilot". So any chance I see to comment on the 4 yr degree, it is my duty to take stance. I have flown with too many non-degreed guys who were superior to their degreed counterparts, I have flown with pilots who got their degrees while working with me, I saw no change in their ability. Yes I know you must have one to get an interview at maany places, because of the HR club. The highest paid people in my family do not have 4 yr degrees, the lowest paid people in my family have 4 yr degrees. BTW I have 4 year degree, and Master's.

Very true. The HR snobs hold your career in their hands. What's really a travesty is a pilot with several thousand hours, maybe a few type ratings and a HS diploma having to get a degree to be competitive for a flying job. Have seen it happen. Talk about putting the cart before the horse.

 

[flyburg]

I don't know what xenofobic means but if you mean xenophobic, I must totally disagree with you as I don't have an intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. What I do have a RATIONAL fear of are the likes of pilots such as many at some Indian or Chinese airlines who have totally fabricated their backgrounds, flying airliners in and over my country after seeing what can happen when control of said airliners is put in the control of people who wish us harm. It is not the harmless Dutch that are the target of terrorists all over the world, it is ME and my fellow Americans. And we ought to d*mn well know the people who are flying 800,000 pound, or 363,000 Kilos for you Dutch people (oh sorry, was that a xenophobic statement?) airliners over our cities. We have learned that the hard way!



My heart goes out to you.



I'm sure it is quitE extensive as it should be, so is ours! And once again, it is not the little harmless Netherlands that are the target of terrorists, it is the good ole USA! We have a very good reason for requiring the crew visa application you filled out. If your country decided to engage in some reciprocatry, or reciprocity as it were, it would be purely out of spite, a tit for tat sort of thing, not because your country felt it was necessary. Remember, many of the terrorists who attacked us came here through European countries. The terrorists that engage in attacks on other countries don't come through the USA. Something to think about!

My bad, and I apologise, I came on a little too strong!!

I understand the NL is not on the risk list, however, what I tried to say is that every airline flying over ot to the US has to submit a master crewlist (even the dutch) I assume the US does something with that list when it comes to risk countries! Same goes for the crew visa, I assume, mine got a cursory glance while the application from a risk country get's a more thorough check. So there is a check and I hope not a huge double standard!

When it comes to qualification requirements, that's a tough one, how do you enforce international standards?? How does one country check that the other countries pilot is qualified? However, that has nothing to do with security, that problem excisted long before 9/11.

Once again, I didn't mean to offend, just to give an insight of the requirments the US ask's of foreign pilots flying over or into the US

 

[thunderworm]

Just a way to thin out the resume's. Can't imagine that many people would argue that you have to have a 4 year degree to fly.

I agree. I have flown with many good guys that do not have a degree. I guess it just shows HR that a degree proves you have the ability to learn. I think that those who continue to go to school have a better time at learning new things like; types and new SOPs. BTW I have a masters.

 

[Emb120Trash]

For the people that don't think there is going to be a pilot shortage in the next few years, I don't think they understand the large number of baby boomers or guys between 55-65 years of age at the legacies/majors/lccs and have ran any real numbers to understand what is about to happen. In a few short years, American, Alaska, Ual/Cal, Airways, Southwest, Delta are going to have 2,000-3,000 pilots retiring annually for many years. If you take all the captains that are actually interested in moving on from the regionals like ASA, Eagle, SkyWest, Chataqua, Republic, Shuttle, Comair, Expressjet, Pinnacle, Transtates, Mesaba, Colgan, Commutair, Mesa, Great Lakes you may have 10,000 pilots. I know there are corporate and military pilots here as well, but it won't change the numbers that much. Without any growth, that leaves 3-4 years before the pool of qualified captains is drained. Take into consideration that not many people are all that interested in entering this profession and in the very near future both the regionals and legacies/majors/lccs/cargo will be crapping in there pants and we will finally see the pilot shortage that Kit Darby has been talking about for the last 30 years..HA! and I can't wait.