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Pilot shortage looms for charter operators

February 01, 2008

Although the market for charter and fractional ownership is still strong in the U.S., operators might soon face a shortage of qualified pilots and maintenance technicians.“What comes with the demand for aircraft is a demand for…pilots,” said Napo Hohn, CEO of PrivatAir. “But there are only so many 4,500- to 5,000-hour pilots on the market for an ever...
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...“There isn’t enough backfilling in this industry of fresh young pilots,” he said. “Over the next five years, there won’t be enough pilots to fly these airplanes or enough technicians to maintain them. There aren’t enough people going into school to do those things.”

...“Shortages are already here,” he said. “We are flat going to run out of pilots.”


...a huge demand for pilots.”

...The need for pilots is going to cause such a strain on the system that in addition to lowering minimum requirements, companies might be forced to hire pilots without commercial pilot certificates and provide on-the-job training. That practice is already used overseas, and its adoption in the U.S. might be right around the corner, Darby said. “This is an emergency situation, and it’s all happening at once,” he said
 
Don't believe the hype. There is no pilot shortage. Companies in Asia, the Middle East, and India are hurting for pilots. There is NO pilot shortage in the west. Any perceived "shortage" is due to western pilots jumping ship to head overseas. Funny. Nobody wants to work for peanuts. Maybe more companies should follow suit with NJA, SWA, FDX, and UPS. Pay your people, provide a half-decent QOL, and they stick around.

Skyward80
 
Don't believe the hype. There is no pilot shortage. Companies in Asia, the Middle East, and India are hurting for pilots. There is NO pilot shortage in the west. Any perceived "shortage" is due to western pilots jumping ship to head overseas. Funny. Nobody wants to work for peanuts. Maybe more companies should follow suit with NJA, SWA, FDX, and UPS. Pay your people, provide a half-decent QOL, and they stick around.

Skyward80

Maybe not right now, but how about in a few years? Look at the regionals. Most have almost no "hard" time requirement. They are hiring people with an average of about 600 hrs, and a lot with lower than that. That will take them about 2 years to get enough hours to upgrade just to meet ICAO mins, or even just most fractional mins.
 
A buddy of mine is a captain at Mesa. He said it is getting really scary over there. He is starting to see FO's with temporary commercial certificates. In other words they just got their commercial and still have the paper temporary.
 
Check the regional hiring mins. A year or two ago most regionals were around 1000-1500TT and 100-300 ME to get hired. Regionals arent expanding anymore either, so the hiring is mainly to cover attrition.
 
I've been through this before...Are you sure the companies hiring low time pilots is because they have a high attrition rate due to poor woking conditions ? There was always a small group of companies that hired low time pilots. As a former Mesa pilot, they were one of those companies. I saw the flight time requirements change dramatically in the late 90's early 2000 period. I think the shortage is based on people wising up to what places are good and what places suck...I think when you have "real low time" any job that can or will allow you to skip instructing or 135 ops is considered a "Dream"...
 
I've been through this before...Are you sure the companies hiring low time pilots is because they have a high attrition rate due to poor woking conditions ? There was always a small group of companies that hired low time pilots. As a former Mesa pilot, they were one of those companies. I saw the flight time requirements change dramatically in the late 90's early 2000 period. I think the shortage is based on people wising up to what places are good and what places suck...I think when you have "real low time" any job that can or will allow you to skip instructing or 135 ops is considered a "Dream"...

I'll give you ASA as an example then. ASA probably isn't the "best" place, but it's better than most of them out there. (Maybe CHQ/Republic having more growth is better) As a CA I see that the botton 1/2 at least of our FO list is about a 0-1.5 years at the company, and I see times as low as just under 300 TT, to the most I've flown with is about 1500 TT. It's not because the company sucks that we see low time people. We just got a new contract and Delta loves hiring ASA people, so there is a motivating factor to go there. (if one does ones research). There are so many hiring with very little time, not because the average CFI suddeny got smarter.
 
It is easy to only look at your world and comment about global situations. The people that look at the job market are not looking at the situation in Cleveland, they are addressing the worldwide airline and non-airline positions.
Last October, most of the decent sticks around here had jobs. With some cut backs and aircraft sales, now we have an over supply. All things are usually relative.
 
Good News For Pilots!!!

A buddy of mine is a captain at Mesa. He said it is getting really scary over there. He is starting to see FO's with temporary commercial certificates. In other words they just got their commercial and still have the paper temporary.

Its about time employers had to engage in a bidding war for pilot services!!!!
 
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We need volunteers from 1108 to apply to the regionals starting with MESA....

To infiltrate and STRONG UNIONIZE the Regionals.

I ask you... Should there be a single RJ Captain making less than $100K? RJ SIC's $50K or more.


I think this is an achievable goal.

We need a national organization of pilots to do for us what the AMA has done for Doctors ... keep compensation high.
 

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