Pilot shortage, coming soon to an airline near you.

[pgcfii2002]

Great quote:

" FedEx pays an Airbus A380 captain with 10 years of experience $17,464 a month, according to WillFlyForFood.cc, a Web site that compares pilot pay."

I saw that too....good catch!!

 

[blueridge71]

I doubt the new hire stuff will change much. Most of these kids will do it for nothing. However, the regionals will need to retain their pilots. That's where you will start to see the carrot being dangled, at the mid seniority pilots.

That's just it. It seems that fewer kids are doing it for nothing already.

 

[pgcfii2002]

Fresh on the heels of hiring 610 pilots last year, SkyWest Airlines intends to hire another 700 this year to keep even with the regional carrier's snowballing growth.

Well at least we know where most Mesa pilots will go.............

 

[skyaddict]

When Air Inc. job fairs are *free* to the pilots (i.e. paid for entirely by the recruiters) the way that job fairs are for most other educated professionals, then we will know there is a U.S. pilot shortage.

 

[CX880]

They are going to have to raise the salaries. At least 40/ hour for first year and 80 for captain. Flight training is very expensive and on top of that you have a 19 dollar per hour job waiting for you at the end. No wonder nobody is going to flight schools anymore especially the last 2 years, there was a big drop in pro pilot training.

 

[bigbird]

There is a pilot shortage around the world and it will hit the US soon if not already. The regionals cannot fill classes. Just wait a year or two when the majors are each hiring 60 a month. Supply and demand for labor. Wages must come up to attract people to get into this field.

 

[plunger]

I think the drop in enrolllment in pro pilot training can also be attributed to changes in the student loan programs. In order to attend one of the puppy mills you either pay cash, or go through Sallie Mae or Keybank. These lenders finally wised up after a couple of schools closed up shop and split with the students money. I believe schools have to be title IV approved in order for these banks to lend money, which most aren't. I think a lot of the flight schools are starting to get the title IV status but it takes time. I went through Key bank a couple of years ago. I regret it everyday..

 

[ToiletDuck]

Thanks for trying, but you're wrong. The bar has been lowered, and it ain't going back up. Jobs are opening up because nobody wants these $hit working conditions for $hit pay with no stability and no chance of retirement. There was a great article in the business section of the Chicago Trib this past week. It focused on a former NWA pilot who left and went to Emirates. He highlighted all the benefits that Emirates provides him including, but not limited to free housing, a nice retirement, and a great paycheck. He's promoting Emirates, Cathay, and all the other forign airlines to American pilots. That's something you won't see at American companies

All airlines promised those things at one point.. They could crash too.

 

[time builder]

But everyone they hire has 1000/100, I am not sure what they mean by competitive, but they are hiring far below their 2500/500.

Like I said, 2500/500, I believe it from what I saw first hand. I wasn't the only 1000 hour guy they gave a hard time about a lack of experience.

 

[ToiletDuck]

I think the drop in enrolllment in pro pilot training can also be attributed to changes in the student loan programs.

I think it has to do with TBS not showing Top Gun almost every night at 7pm like it use too.

 

[Huck]

said Kip Darby, president of Atlanta-based AIR.

"Napoleon, don't worry, I'm sure there's an airline out there that's your soul-mate."

 

[embdrvr]

blah blah blah.

Please keep posting. I don't care what you write.
I...just...really....like...your....avatar.
Wow.

 

[siucavflight]

Please keep posting. I don't care what you write.
I...just...really....like...your....avatar.
Wow.

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[paid4training]

I think that is where you are wrong, when they are unable to staff an airline(not enough applicants) the only way that they can attract more applicants is to make the pay better then the other guys pay.

Hey dude your dam avatar is VERY distracting to what you are saying...I read...."blah, blah, blah, Blond with nice tata's, blah, blah, I wonder if she's that hott in real life...blah, blah, blah, okay, she's really freaking hott...blah..." :blush: :beer:

 

[CopilotDoug]

All airlines promised those things at one point.. They could crash too.

That's true, as with any job. But if they crash 50 years from now after you've retired...does it matter? The situation here isn't getting any better with Management's "make money at all costs" mentality. You're in bankruptcy, your CEO needs a retention bonus to stay. You're out of bankruptcy, your CEO needs another bonus for "saving" the company (at the expense of employees) That mindset isn't going away anytime soon, I suspect, and the last thing on management's mind is to throw THEIR hard earned money at the employees to stop their complaining. It's very sad how management has beaten the pilots into a distracted state where they are celebrating over nickle and dime payraises, yet they have absolutely NO retirement. Take what you can get while you can get it, and it's overseas for now.

 

[time builder]

I think it has to do with TBS not showing Top Gun almost every night at 7pm like it use too.

Ha, ha, my flight school advertised during those blocks. Gotta love it.

 

[ToiletDuck]

That's true, as with any job. But if they crash 50 years from now after you've retired...does it matter? The situation here isn't getting any better with Management's "make money at all costs" mentality. You're in bankruptcy, your CEO needs a retention bonus to stay. You're out of bankruptcy, your CEO needs another bonus for "saving" the company (at the expense of employees) That mindset isn't going away anytime soon, I suspect, and the last thing on management's mind is to throw THEIR hard earned money at the employees to stop their complaining. It's very sad how management has beaten the pilots into a distracted state where they are celebrating over nickle and dime payraises, yet they have absolutely NO retirement. Take what you can get while you can get it, and it's overseas for now.

Oh yea bud don't get me wrong i'm 100% with you. I'm just saying when it comes to aviation it appears noone is safe from getting screwed with their pants on by management.

 

[pilotyip]

so toilet how does that make a flying job any different than most other jobs?

 

[ToiletDuck]

so toilet how does that make a flying job any different than most other jobs?

A lot. Other places aren't as cut-throat. Other places don't abuse their white collar labor. I'm not talking about telemarketers ect. But fortune 500 companies get there by treating their employee's the best. By acknowledging their strongest asset is the "individuals" that work there. Aviation we might as all be numbers... Well I guess we already basically are. Everyone hired does the same thing. Go from point A to point B by certain standards. Uniqueness plays no part. We lack hiearchy. Small ladder to climb so you have many many people at the same level. Total hours in long run gets better paying job(in grand scheme of things). How creative you are doesn't matter. We aren't like doctors or lawyers or engineers because as pilots of commercial aircraft we lack individuality. Which is why several say flying is a trade. This is just my opinion of course and to each his own.

 

[pilotyip]

Toilet, I guess you are not keeping up on what is going on in Detroit, 10,000 lays next week for auto white collar at Chrysler, Ford cut 34,000 employees last, closed three factories, no the airline business is no different. The big difference is pilots when they loose their jobs go to the bottom of a seniority list at starting pay, engineers go to another job at about 80% of their former wages.