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SkywayFO said:
Contrary to your opinion of his testicles (or lack thereof), Captain Woerth has refused to sign a concessionary contract in the recent past. The CCAir contract wasn't signed several years ago. He has to look at the individual circumstances and see what the possibilities are. I don't know what ALPA Legal's opinion is about the TSA/HoJets situation, but I think the scope language is very clear. I don't foresee a scenario were TSA would lose a grievance on this. It might take a little time to go through the process, but I believe the TSA MEC will win their scope grievance and HoJets will cease to exist. If ALPA legal agrees with that assessment, then I'm sure they will advise Captain Woerth not to go forward with this deal. On the other hand, if Legal believes for some reason that the grievance doesn't stand much of a chance, then ALPA really has no choice but to secure stronger scope through this deal. This isn't as cut and dry as you might think. Things behind the scenes are usually much more complicated than the membership thinks.
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Peleton said:
Yeah, I guess since Mesa's contract was voted in by 80% of its voting pilots there was some real backstabbing going on. Truth be told, Mesa swallowed a concessionary contract for a reason. Actually, several reasons... no more Freedom, CC Air rejoining the ranks, scope, modest miscellaneous improvements, pay raises, etc. Virtually every part of the contract improved. Sucks for us.
J
jjetpilot
This is the cover letter of the LOA...........it WILL be voted down........
September 9, 2005
Dear TSA Crewmember:
Your MEC has decided to let you, the TSA pilots, decide whether to accept the ************************* LOA. When I refer to the ************************* LOA, this includes the three attachments to the LOA. You will cast one vote for the whole package collectively. As you know, the Company and the Association have been in negotiations recently over the terms of this LOA. Because time was of the essence, we asked the company to give us their best and last proposal. While we had the opportunity to clarify the language, the ************************* LOA is, substantively, the company’s last and best offer.
Here are the highlights of the ************************* Letter of Agreement and its attachments:
Extends the current agreement by four years;
Establishes pay rates for the EMB-170/CRJ-700 & EMB-190/CRJ-900;
Provides 1.5% pay bumps annually for all equipment;
Creates a single seniority list composed of TSA and ************************* pilots;
All TSA and ************************* flying will be performed by pilots on the TSA seniority list;
Attachment 2, the NMB Certification Letter, is essentially the legal mechanism which ensures the ************************* pilots will be represented by ALPA;
Attachment 3, the Trans States Holdings Letter, ensures, among other things, that TSA ALPA contract will apply to ************************* and provides that if TSA or the Trans States Holdings creates a carrier in the future, it will come under the TSA CBA.
Pilots already hired by ************************* will keep the positions they have been assigned. They cannot be bumped out of their position in the event of a reduction in another piece of equipment. They can be reduced from their position in the event of a reduction in ************************* flying or a furlough. There are about 40 pilots who have completed or are in ************************* training. The Company has purchased 10 CRJ-700s with delivery expected by December 18. Although they will not be precise, the Company has advised us they expect there will be more growth in the 70 seat equipment.
Please read the ************************* LOA and its attachments carefully, attend the roadshows, and call your representatives if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Dario Miranda
TSA MEC Chairman
September 9, 2005
Dear TSA Crewmember:
Your MEC has decided to let you, the TSA pilots, decide whether to accept the ************************* LOA. When I refer to the ************************* LOA, this includes the three attachments to the LOA. You will cast one vote for the whole package collectively. As you know, the Company and the Association have been in negotiations recently over the terms of this LOA. Because time was of the essence, we asked the company to give us their best and last proposal. While we had the opportunity to clarify the language, the ************************* LOA is, substantively, the company’s last and best offer.
Here are the highlights of the ************************* Letter of Agreement and its attachments:
Extends the current agreement by four years;
Establishes pay rates for the EMB-170/CRJ-700 & EMB-190/CRJ-900;
Provides 1.5% pay bumps annually for all equipment;
Creates a single seniority list composed of TSA and ************************* pilots;
All TSA and ************************* flying will be performed by pilots on the TSA seniority list;
Attachment 2, the NMB Certification Letter, is essentially the legal mechanism which ensures the ************************* pilots will be represented by ALPA;
Attachment 3, the Trans States Holdings Letter, ensures, among other things, that TSA ALPA contract will apply to ************************* and provides that if TSA or the Trans States Holdings creates a carrier in the future, it will come under the TSA CBA.
Pilots already hired by ************************* will keep the positions they have been assigned. They cannot be bumped out of their position in the event of a reduction in another piece of equipment. They can be reduced from their position in the event of a reduction in ************************* flying or a furlough. There are about 40 pilots who have completed or are in ************************* training. The Company has purchased 10 CRJ-700s with delivery expected by December 18. Although they will not be precise, the Company has advised us they expect there will be more growth in the 70 seat equipment.
Please read the ************************* LOA and its attachments carefully, attend the roadshows, and call your representatives if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Dario Miranda
TSA MEC Chairman
ren
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Why doesn't Hulas take a small pay cut out of his 28 million that he made last year, and pay the pilot group a decent and livable wage. His greed is astounding. This isn't USAirways or Delta. This man owns the whole kit and kaboodle. He "profited" after 911 by taking the flying that the majors couldn't afford to fly. He wants the pilots to work for peanuts while he rakes in the rewards of their hard work with crappy schedules and poor working conditions. This isn't India, Hulas. We are Americans and you are one greedy son of a ....May justice prevail. Always.
O.K. This is what I don't get. We go to work for chicken$hit companies that have a track record of screwing its employees, and expect to turn it into a dream job, in what world?
The solution is to stop taking these jobs to begin with. Look what happened at Skywest. They couldn't fill classes because they didn't pay during training, and guess what? They started paying!!!!
JUST SAY NO!
The solution is to stop taking these jobs to begin with. Look what happened at Skywest. They couldn't fill classes because they didn't pay during training, and guess what? They started paying!!!!
JUST SAY NO!
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[I don't foresee a scenario were TSA would lose a grievance on this. It might take a little time to go through the process, but I believe the TSA MEC will win their scope grievance and HoJets will cease to exist. If ALPA legal agrees with that assessment, then I'm sure they will advise Captain Woerth not to go forward with this deal. On the other hand, if Legal believes for some reason that the grievance doesn't stand much of a chance, then ALPA really has no choice but to secure stronger scope through this deal. This isn't as cut and dry as you might think. Things behind the scenes are usually much more complicated than the membership thinks.[/QUOTE]
You are wrong!
**jets will not disappear. Transtates Holdings needs to have two separate airlines because of the APA 50 Seater Scope clause. It is the only option available for them to be able to fly for United; (aka) Repulblic, Chautauqua, Shuttle America.
You are wrong!
**jets will not disappear. Transtates Holdings needs to have two separate airlines because of the APA 50 Seater Scope clause. It is the only option available for them to be able to fly for United; (aka) Repulblic, Chautauqua, Shuttle America.
FrenchTickler
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PUBLIC INFO FROM 800-282-ALPA
Fellow Pilots,
This is Captain Dario Miranda with an urgent update to the VARS on September 14.
It has come to the attention of the MEC that the “ Single Carrier Petition Letter” is causing some concern amongst our members. I would like to apologize for the confusion that the timing and tone of the letter may have caused.
ALPA national staff drafted this letter in response to concerns that our members may not have been fully aware of the gains that could be achieved with a single carrier petition.
As the MEC has stated, our position on GJ LOA is not positive, but neutral. The Single Carrier Petition letter was not intended to support a “yes” or a “no”, but to inform you of the gains that could and could not be attained by the Single Carrier Petition.
Furthermore, the MEC was advised by several of our members that flight managers are distributing a similar copy of the Single Carrier Petition letter with Duane Woerth’s signature. That letter was not endorsed by the MEC.
Management, in an effort to sway the vote in their favor, has purposely distributed the Duane Woerth letter without the approval of the union. We are aware that Flight Managers and Mechanics have been distributing the letter to pilots.
Please vote based on the information that your union has provided you, not the propaganda or misinformation that management has leaked in the past few days. Remember, you are voting on the company’s proposal, and management has much to gain from the ratification of the agreement.
If you have not attended a roadshow, or if you have any questions regarding the Single Carrier letter, please contact a union representative immediately.
Once again, the MEC is has been committed to giving you the opportunity to express your opinion based on facts and our bargaining history with the management team. The position of the MEC remains neutral, despite management’s overt and obvious efforts to ensure the ratification of this LOA.
To vote on the internet go to the ALPA website log in and go to the my alpa link, then look for the elections link on the left side of the page and that will lead you to the electronic balloting. Use your same member number and password to log into the balloting website.
To vote using the telephone:
• Call 1 – 888 – 647 – 1787.
• You will be prompted to enter your seven-digit ALPA member number – (no dashes and remember to use the leading zero(s) if necessary) and your ALPA password.
• You will select the ballot entitled ***** LOA Ratification Ballot.
• Follow the voice prompts to cast your vote.
• You may change your vote at any time during the voting period.
Fellow Pilots,
This is Captain Dario Miranda with an urgent update to the VARS on September 14.
It has come to the attention of the MEC that the “ Single Carrier Petition Letter” is causing some concern amongst our members. I would like to apologize for the confusion that the timing and tone of the letter may have caused.
ALPA national staff drafted this letter in response to concerns that our members may not have been fully aware of the gains that could be achieved with a single carrier petition.
As the MEC has stated, our position on GJ LOA is not positive, but neutral. The Single Carrier Petition letter was not intended to support a “yes” or a “no”, but to inform you of the gains that could and could not be attained by the Single Carrier Petition.
Furthermore, the MEC was advised by several of our members that flight managers are distributing a similar copy of the Single Carrier Petition letter with Duane Woerth’s signature. That letter was not endorsed by the MEC.
Management, in an effort to sway the vote in their favor, has purposely distributed the Duane Woerth letter without the approval of the union. We are aware that Flight Managers and Mechanics have been distributing the letter to pilots.
Please vote based on the information that your union has provided you, not the propaganda or misinformation that management has leaked in the past few days. Remember, you are voting on the company’s proposal, and management has much to gain from the ratification of the agreement.
If you have not attended a roadshow, or if you have any questions regarding the Single Carrier letter, please contact a union representative immediately.
Once again, the MEC is has been committed to giving you the opportunity to express your opinion based on facts and our bargaining history with the management team. The position of the MEC remains neutral, despite management’s overt and obvious efforts to ensure the ratification of this LOA.
To vote on the internet go to the ALPA website log in and go to the my alpa link, then look for the elections link on the left side of the page and that will lead you to the electronic balloting. Use your same member number and password to log into the balloting website.
To vote using the telephone:
• Call 1 – 888 – 647 – 1787.
• You will be prompted to enter your seven-digit ALPA member number – (no dashes and remember to use the leading zero(s) if necessary) and your ALPA password.
• You will select the ballot entitled ***** LOA Ratification Ballot.
• Follow the voice prompts to cast your vote.
• You may change your vote at any time during the voting period.
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panamclipper said:
Yes, the certificate itself will not disappear, but the seperate seniority list will. As a pilot, it doesn't matter one bit to me how many certificates an airline (or holding company) has. It only matters to me how many seniority lists that there are.
Reading the above VARS message, it would appear that the MEC is trying to direct the membership towards a NO vote without actually saying so. The "neutral" official position looks very good politically. When dealing with judges, arbitrators, and the NMB, politics and appearance is very important. If it was me having to cast a vote, I would probably vote NO based on the above information from the MEC. Just my 2 cents.
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