Pilot hiring plan at American Airlines?

[JumpJetter]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=104739

I told you Eagle...you are going to the bottom.

 

[eaglefly]

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I told you Eagle...you are going to the bottom.

More up on it than you are.

Yes, the furloughees will have the first OFFER for recall. When they get done with that offer (many will pass), then I go to AA.................but NOT at the bottom.

I already have a number. After the AA list was updated with the TWA pilots, I had well over 2500 JUNIOR to me. Many of those wont come back, but I'll be NOWHERE near the bottom.

In fact, I'll start at 2nd year pay with 15K bonuses each of the first two years.

Sorry to take the wind from your sails............

 

[ifly90]

Classy..

 

[AA717driver]

I already have a number. After the AA list was updated with the TWA pilots, I had well over 2500 JUNIOR to me. Many of those wont come back, but I'll be NOWHERE near the bottom.

In fact, I'll start at 2nd year pay with 15K bonuses each of the first two years.

Sorry to take the wind from your sails............

So you're going to flow?

This was a total win for APA. Or should I say a total loss for the Eagle pilots. Other than not getting shut out completely on May 1, there was very little gained for the Eagle group.

Lots of noise made and money spent to "win" what you already had.

Enjoy the 777. Repeat after me: "I'll take the first break." "Just give me what's left over--I'll eat anything." And... "I don't mind, I actually have a thing for 'big boned' girls". TC

 

[JumpJetter]

Yes, the furloughees will have the first OFFER for recall. When they get done with that offer (many will pass), then I go to AA.................

And since they have to still recall, what 1800 dudes...then they will bypass...you may get to AA in 2015??

Might as well be at the bottom.

 

[eaglefly]

And since they have to still recall, what 1800 dudes...then they will bypass...you may get to AA in 2015??

Might as well be at the bottom.

Less than half of those are likely to accept on the first pass, so estimating about 12-18 months. When I do go over, thankfully, no reserve for me as I'll have at least 1000 pilots junior to me.

I'll have to continue to survive on $10,000/month until then.

 

[JumpJetter]

clock started......

 

[tie1on]

good luck

 

[AV80R]

Not sure if this has been posted already?

American Airlines Reaches Deal With Pilots

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(CBS 11 News) DALLAS American Airlines has reached a deal that creates a pecking order for pilots from its American Eagle subsidiary to join the big carrier.

The airline said late Tuesday that it had reached a tentative agreement with unions to settle three disputes over the way in which Eagle pilots can move up to American Airlines.

The agreement calls for pilots who were laid off by American Airlines in recent years to be recalled first, then pilots who fly American Eagle's smaller planes can move up to the mainline carrier.

The agreement was announced by the Air Line Pilots Association, which represents Eagle pilots, and the Allied Pilots Association, which represents their counterparts at American.

Pilots at American, the nation's largest carrier, are paid more than those at Eagle. Both airlines are owned by Fort Worth-based AMR Corp.

Separately, the union at American Airlines asked Tuesday for raises equal to 2.68 percent per year dating back to 1992. That would be 49 percent so far, and rising to nearly 53 percent next year.

The proposal is an increase from a 30.5 percent raise proposal that the union's previous leaders made in May.

A spokeswoman for American Airlines said the latest proposal would make American less competitive with other carriers on labor costs.

American is in the early stages of negotiations on new contract terms with pilots, and is expected to begin talks soon with unions representing ground workers and flight attendants.

 

[siucavflight]

And since they have to still recall, what 1800 dudes...then they will bypass...you may get to AA in 2015??

Might as well be at the bottom.

The max he will go over in is 2 years, and he will not even be sitting reserve, making second year pay with a 15K bonus each of the first two years. Yeah us Eagle guys are the big losers!
APA got what they wanted, beyond that they did not care about us. We got the best we could of hoped for.

 

[JumpJetter]

This should be interesting for flow through

AA Press Release

 

[Draginass]

The Eagle guys better start looking closely at their merger & divestiture clauses. The sale of Eagle is big news. I wonder what the real agenda is for mainline AA.

 

[Vastly Underemp]

For one it's a quick way around the scope clause.....

 

[eaglefly]

This should be interesting for flow through

AA Press Release

Actually should have no impact.

This will supposedly occur sometime next year and Larocco will rule shortly on the recall grievance. The duration grivance should be wrapped up by May when the agreement technically expires. Should Eagle be sold in whole or part, it would take awile to alter our CBA and these issues would be over and done with.

AMR has already stated they support ALPA on these issues - flowthrus to flow in seniority order and to flow after agreement expiration, so you'll see little fighting there except from the APA on the duration issue in that grievance hearing. A new buyer certainly would like as many of the overpaid senior guys gone as well.

If no buyers are found for our supposedly expensive little operation, than it's likely an IPO.

 

[eaglefly]

The Eagle guys better start looking closely at their merger & divestiture clauses. The sale of Eagle is big news. I wonder what the real agenda is for mainline AA.

Many of us are very familiar with it.

The aganda for mainline looks uglier than an Eagle spinoff. That will likley be a dogfight with two losers.............one a little and the other a lot.

Care to guess, which is which ?

 

[JumpJetter]

How about this part...

AWARD AND ORDER
The Arbitrator renders an Order by answering the stipulated issue as follows.

STATEMENT OF STIPULATED ISSUE
Whether AA’s order of recall, which excludes some flow-through pilots holding AA seniority numbers, violates Letter Three/Supplement W and, if so, what is the appropriate remedy.
ANSWER TO STIPULATED ISSUE
Letter Three/Supplement W does not contain a right of recall for AE flow-through pilots who hold AA seniority numbers but were not furloughed from AA; provided, nothing in this answer shall be construed to overrule or modify the ruling in FLO-0903; and, provided further, nothing in this answer shall be construed to endorse or exclude any potential remedy in FLO-0903.
Dated: March 13, 2008
___________/s/ _________
John B. LaRocco
Arbitrator

 

[pipe]

Translate. Everything stays as-is?

PIPE

 

[aa73]

AE flow throughs with AA seniority numbers will not be able to come over with recalled AA furloughees, they will have to wait for "true" new hire classes after everyone's recalled.

73

 

[Flyby1206]

Translate. Everything stays as-is?

PIPE

Means those AE pilots already with flowthrough AA seniority numbers arent to be considered "furloughed" status. Also means they wont be recalled with those pilots who are currently considered "furloughed" they will be recalled after them.

2 more grievances that will be more important in determining the fate of AE flowthroughs:

-TWA number generation: Some TWA pilots (around 1500?) were directly furloughed and never trained as AA pilots. Arbitrator will decide if these pilots will be considered 'newhires' when they return to AA. IF they are considered newhires then that will generate an additional flowthrough number for each one who returns to AA. The decision of this grievance is expected sometime in the next few months.

-Duration grievance: The flowthrough agreement (letter 3/Supp W) has an end date of May 08. Arbitrator will decide what happens after May 08 to those flowthrough pilots who have flowthrough numbers, but havent been called. Decision is expected in the next few months as well.

In all reality the duration grievance is the most important since there is no way any AE pilots will be called to class with those who were furloughed (since AE lost the recall grievance posted above).

 

[JumpJetter]

so what happens to AE guys who have a number, but AA doesn't do any hiring until after AE is spun off? I guess a number is a number. I don't see AA hiring any time soon. Still got a lot of numbers to go thru.