Pilot hiring plan at American Airlines?

[aa73]

And what about AA pilots who were hired and on the property, but are junior to the TWA pilots? There is at least 550 of those pilots.

JJ

JJ, the actual number of AA pilots at the very bottom is 385.

 

[eaglefly]

At this point, the absolute best that the Eagle pilots can hope for is for the 400 or so with numbers to flow to AA prior to next May when the sup. W agreement expires. I'd say there is about a 0% chance of sup. W being renewed by management and the unions and the arbitrator does NOT have authority to extend that agreement beyond May 1st. Those without numbers at Eagle will simply be out of luck as far as ever flowing to AA.

A TOTALLY incorrect statement of fact. That is an OPINION.

While true the agreement expires next May, there is valid argument that those pilots who have AA seniority numbers would retain those seniority rights after agreement expiration as they've already been placed on the AA pilot seniority list. The APA's own bylaws prohibit unilateral seniority cleansing. If so, they could remove ANYONE from their seniority list for ANY reason. These pilots have already been hired, they've been just waiting for their lock-in to expire (and all have). Whether they flow in "seniority order" will be decided soon.

AMR has already agreed to hire these pilots and the ONLY reason they are still at Eagle is they had to complete this 24 month "lock-in", so AMR could recoup their training expenses. AMR has stated they support the the right to flow for these pilots AFTER agreement expiration and ALPA agrees. That leaves the APA to ATTEMPT to "protect the integrity of their seniority list" by acting in their pilots interests and disagreeing with AMR and ALPA. 2 against 1 on this interpretation issue for arbitrator Larocco.

We'll see who wins this one soon.........

Larocco MAY rule that these pilots DO NOT flow until all furloughees are recalled, but still flow after agreement expiration when "new-hire" classes resume.

An interesting note about ALPA's win in the TWA LLC greivance is that Larocco stated that he retained jurisdiction over THIS issue for 2 years, so why would he do that if he's soon going to find there's nothing to retain next May ?

 

[spacecadet1]

Not likely to ever be hiring. Next year the place will burn down when all the unions pull the plug.

 

[eaglefly]

Not likely to ever be hiring. Next year the place will burn down when all the unions pull the plug.

Yeah, right.................

 

[MD80DRVR]

There is no way in hell that the APA is going to allow a single Eagle pilot (one with a seniority number or not) to come onto the property until every single AA pilot is recalled. If you think anything else is going to happen, you are listening to too much ALPA propaganda.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

At least half that 400 don't want to because their making over 100K/year with a dollar for dollar 401 match at 8%, not to mention age/job security issues.

AA must be making fistfuls of money on those RJ's if they are paying the pilots that much.

 

[Tank68]

This is like a fight to see who gets to take the ugly chick to the prom.

 

[eaglefly]

There is no way in hell that the APA is going to allow a single Eagle pilot (one with a seniority number or not) to come onto the property until every single AA pilot is recalled. If you think anything else is going to happen, you are listening to too much ALPA propaganda.

LOL !!!!!!!

It will be arbitrator who decides that, NOT the APA. If the arbitrator decides they will flow, the APA will let them.

They cannot legally override an arbitrator. Now I suppose they could call a wildcat strike, but their union fund is just now recovering from the last idiotic screw up. If you think anything different, you've been smoking way too much hash............

It could be that many Eagle pilots will be forced over to AA against their will, because AMR wants to get them out of Eagle because they pay them too much.

 

[MD80DRVR]

If the arbitrator decides to do that, he would be essentially changing their contract, and that would and should be grounds for a strike.

How can he decide that a pilot that was working for AA, flying AA (NOT EAGLE) metal deserves to be recalled after an Eagle pilot. Makes no sense at all.

 

[filejw]

MD80, If two party's agree to arbitration you are pretty much stuck with the result's.To get a court to overturn an award is a huge deal and would normally involve a crime or fraud.

 

[Big Slick]

Back to the original question, American will begin hiring sometime in 2009 and will continue hiring until they furlough.

 

[spacecadet1]

Yeah, right.................

Don't believe me. Whatever. AA just cut down recalls for November. Most likely more shrinkage (I hate when that happens); also expect eagle to be auctioned off along with more fire sale junk.

 

[aa73]

Don't believe me. Whatever. AA just cut down recalls for November. Most likely more shrinkage (I hate when that happens); also expect eagle to be auctioned off along with more fire sale junk.

The cut down for Nov was because of several previous MLOAs coming back sooner than planned. They should be back up to 50/mo by Dec.

 

[spacecadet1]

The cut down for Nov was because of several previous MLOAs coming back sooner than planned. They should be back up to 50/mo by Dec.

Yeah, that's what they're saying now. Just wait.

 

[eaglefly]

Yeah, that's what they're saying now. Just wait.

You live up to your name quite well.

Now get off daddy's computer before he comes home from work.