Pilot forced to retire--Boo hoo! Freaking baby!

[Regul8r]

I am on the fence about whether or not the regionals destroyed this career, affirmative action has helped others who would have never broken the "good old boy club" and it has also given opportunities to people who dont deserve even welfare!.....

Engineers and technology had a large role to play. It allows some moron with minimal skills to "fly" the plane while listening to his iPod and playing with his PSP. As a 777 Captain/former Navy pilot wrote in a magazine column, "Pilots have gone from Aviators of past to Flight Deck Monitors today" The 121 world is an absolute shadow of its former self.

 

[GuppyWN]

So Andy. You're 46 and working on more kids with wiffie #2. You'll be about 48 when Jr. is hatched. You'll be an AARP member before he hits kindergarten. He'll be in high school when you retire AT 65! So I'm guessing about 2023 you'll be on FI looking to change it to 70 so you can pay for college!

Gup

 

[B737Dvr]

Math......

Isn't that hurt enough when it translates into a decrease in earning potential over a career?

Ok, lets break it down this way shall we? say you are a young guy hired on at 30. right now you have 30 more years before you turn into a pumpkin. they now pass this age 65 rule. before, upgrade time was not really predictable because of a dozen factors but say it is 5 years. with this new age 65 rule and the complexities of having an under 60 guy in there with an over 60 guy, i dont see how staffing levels will be hurt that bad, being that there will always have to be a younger guy around to fly with the over 60 guy. now having said that, say it just delays upgrade by another 2 years or so, regardless of how you look at it in the example above you GET 5 MORE YEARS YOURSELF. maybe you dont want 5 more years you say, well its your decision, as well as it should be the decision of someone over 60 that is very capable still.

decrease in earnings potential? how? they get 5 more years....you and everyone else gets the same 5 more years.....it actually increases your potential LONG TERM EARNINGS! the only negative is that you wait more, and well so be it.....youll appreciate it more when you occupy their shoes in the future.

 

[PHXFLYR]

NO one told him cannot fly anymore. The FAA didn't pull his ATP just cause he turned 60. Your arguement is a little simplistic.

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[B737Dvr]

incredible........

Anybody who would put all their retirement eggs in one basket (A and B Fund) at ANY time before or after 9/11 is retarded. That being said - never live beyond your means no matter WHAT your seniority or wage.

Just seems that some want a do-over since they did not head the above warnings.

Sorry but that is life and they should get out of the left seat and readjust their expectations of retirement (Accord instead of BMW)

BUT
That being said......the FAA will change the rule anyways and we lil know-it-all RJ punks will have to adjust.

But that is ok because I KNOW life isn't fair and I seek NO second chance at the money till..

Man, you really dont get it, or just plain dont give a shyte!
the last thing any of these poor airmen need is an investment lesson from the likes of a young puke who's feet isnt big enough yet to fill one shoe of a 30yr career let alone walk a mile in them.

You think people are asking for a do over? wow i havent heard that term since my college days partying and chugging beers! cute contribution, has the no payment term expired on your school loan yet or you still have time to go before you start paying it back?

I think people are just asking for reasonable time to try and make up some lost wages. regardless of management, the tooth fairy or ALPA or whoever trashed it, some guys had no say and they are just trying to get some back while they still are mentally and physically able.

now if someone was living beyond their means, then they are now reaping what they sowed, i dont advocate living beyond your means, but that is besides the point, a careers savings was lost at one of the worst times for them.

but like you said: sorry that is life, it isnt fair, so if you tell them to get out of the left seat and readjust their expectations of retirement, then i say to you : quit your flying job. go enlist and serve a tour or two in Iraq. come back fly banners, then fly checks, hop back into a prop, follow that with a jet and then if you are lucky into a Boeing or Airbus. fly coast to coast, fly to an island south of Lat 20N, fly across an ocean, start a family, become a dad all the while keeping your career going as well as your marriage, by then you will have some hair down below, some wrinkles from shooting approaches after flying across multiple time zones and some wisdom to replace that mouth of yours.....and then maybe you might have a clue, you might come to the conclusion that it isnt all about money and do overs! some might actually love what they do.

i feel compelled to share another little tidbit of incredible insight and wisdom with everyone that might shed some another viewpoint on this topic.

as antoine de saint exupery said:
"If i summon up those memories that have left me with an enduring savor, if i draw up the balance sheet of the hours in my life that have truly counted, surely I find those that no wealth could have procured me".

Some people just love what they do.

 

[AlbieF15]

B737....for an old man who feels he's got so much to add, may I suggest hitting the shift key every once in a while? Us ealry generation X guys have a hard time reading your babble when you don't format it properly.

Age 60 is bad for me. Its bad for my business. I make no moral stand--and I'll put my money towards any organization that will fight it. That said--we gotta share the cockpit when its over--so we'll see what happens.

BTW...some of those under 50 folks you are going to screw might not have been flying for an airline all those years, but a bunch were serving their country doing flying that had its own challenges and rewards. Just because I didn't pull gear for some fat ass blow-hard in a DC-8 20 years ago doesn't mean I don't know ******************** about aviation. I spent the last 20 years training to deal with Migs and SA-6s, and believe it or not I don't think shooting an approach in the weather somewhere is all that friggin hard. Its probably too hard for someone over 60, but in the big picture...it ain't that friggin' hard.

 

[CopilotDoug]

I spent the last 20 years training to deal with Migs and SA-6s.

Do you encounter alot of those on your freight runs?

 

[007]

decrease in earnings potential? how? they get 5 more years....you and everyone else gets the same 5 more years.....it actually increases your potential LONG TERM EARNINGS! the only negative is that you wait more, and well so be it.....youll appreciate it more when you occupy their shoes in the future.

Because pay will be even less now that we'll have 5 more years to reach the highest earning potential. I am sure managment will see that and adjust wages accordingly.

I think the rule will come and nothing can stop it. But, 737dvr, would you be so passionate about this topic if the FAA said that the rule won't go into effect unless you were born say 1950 or later? I doubt it!

BTW, I agree that you have paid your dues and made sacrifices, but would you stop with the "We old guys can do it better and with one hand on the wheel".

First, the generation prior to yours said the same thing.

Second, aren't you a little bit sharper than to get into these "My d1ck is bigger than yours contests".

Just curious.

 

[27 driver]

Ok, lets break it down this way shall we? say you are a young guy hired on at 30. right now you have 30 more years before you turn into a pumpkin. they now pass this age 65 rule. before, upgrade time was not really predictable because of a dozen factors but say it is 5 years. with this new age 65 rule and the complexities of having an under 60 guy in there with an over 60 guy, i dont see how staffing levels will be hurt that bad, being that there will always have to be a younger guy around to fly with the over 60 guy. now having said that, say it just delays upgrade by another 2 years or so, regardless of how you look at it in the example above you GET 5 MORE YEARS YOURSELF. maybe you dont want 5 more years you say, well its your decision, as well as it should be the decision of someone over 60 that is very capable still.

decrease in earnings potential? how? they get 5 more years....you and everyone else gets the same 5 more years.....it actually increases your potential LONG TERM EARNINGS! the only negative is that you wait more, and well so be it.....youll appreciate it more when you occupy their shoes in the future.

You forgot about the compounded interest of the money it takes 5 years longer to earn.

 

[mnboyev]

*************************.... Are we really gonna have to work past 60...? I got 18 left to age 60....how will I ever make it to 65 ?... Screaming kids..whinning FA's..backpack toting rj FO's..cranky rude agents..fat mechanics..grumpy egotistical senior captains..greedy senior managers...FAA numbskulls..Dictator like ATC..not to mention dry cleaning..commuting..van rides..hotel rooms..missed time with family and friends.....

I do still like flying....I just want our profession to maintain a 'level' that is worthy of our time energy and commitment. So how we gonna do that?....Management and the industry dynamics have changed so much..and the unions have lost so much ground I'm not sure it can be regained. Got to pack my roller bag for another 4 day trip.... Check in at 1500...Grind up and down the east coast...Aahhh I love aviation...can't wait to do another approach in the snow sleet and rain...nobody cares unless they get stuck on a JB jet for 8 hours...thanks for listening....peace