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Pilot forced to retire--Boo hoo! Freaking baby!

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Flydaplane

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All I can say is that if this dude can't manually fly out of Vegas when he wants to (see highlighted paragraph) then he should have retired years ago. He's trying not to be bitter? The dude had 30 years to prepare for this. This stuff makes me sick!



Pilots forced into retirement as government ponders rule change

STEVE HARRISON

The Charlotte Observer

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Pilot John Wolfe planned to stage a small protest when he retired from US Airways.
He wanted to exit his Boeing 757 in a wheelchair, then leap up and give his children and grandchildren and well-wishers hugs. His point? I am still a great pilot. I am healthy. I should not be forced into retirement at age 60.
"If you pick your day it's one thing, but when it's picked for you, it's really hard," said Paula Wolfe, John's wife and a US Airways flight attendant.
She worked his last flight, a trip from Las Vegas to Charlotte, and had planned the wheelchair gimmick. But US Airways got wind of it and nixed it.
The federal government has proposed allowing pilots to fly commercial airliners until they are 65, a change that's already taken place in most countries. In November, the International Civil Aviation Organization, a United Nations agency, set a standard of pilots being no older than 65. The rule affects all but four countries: the United States, France, Pakistan and Colombia.
Pilots nearing retirement have long lobbied for the change, but their protests have gotten louder after some have seen their pensions and salaries cut.
They say they need more time to work to make up for lost pay. They also argue the age 60 rule - imposed by the FAA in 1960 for safety reasons - is arbitrary and too early.
Though changes may be coming in a year or two, it's too late for pilots like Wolfe, who has been an airline pilot since 1978, when he was hired by Pacific Southwest Airlines. Wolfe and other pilots say any change wouldn't be retroactive, meaning they would have no right to get their old jobs back.
"I'm trying not to be too bitter," Wolfe said smiling.
Wolfe was greeted in Charlotte by a water cannon while taxiing to his gate. All of his passengers signed a picture of a US Airways plane. He and his family ate cake in the pilots lounge below Concourse C.
He said he has been worn down by heightened security measures, and by cuts in wages and benefits that came while US Airways went through two bankruptcies in the last four years. Like all US Airways pilots, he's upset that management hasn't restored some of their lost wages, now that the airline is making money.
"The things I'll miss? It was a good window seat - it's a good view up there," said Wolfe, who learned to fly in the Air Force and who flew in Vietnam. "I really liked the flying of the airplane. If I can get in four or five landings in a day, that's great."
Wolfe was perturbed that on his last flight he had to fly on autopilot after taking off from Las Vegas, in order to meet strict noise abatement rules.
But the last landing into Charlotte/Douglas was much better: Clear skies, the airport visible for 15 miles. No autopilot needed.
A nice way to go out.
His co-pilot that day was Randy Smith, who wasn't scheduled to fly. Smith and Wolfe are old friends, so Smith took a vacation day to accompany Wolfe cross country.
He also did it for himself. He turns 60 on March 12, so the recent flight with Wolfe helped him get his head around what's looming.
Smith said he would fly for US Airways until 65 if he could. Instead, he may fly corporate jets, which are governed by less strict rules.
Wolfe said he would like to keep flying until at least 62, when his Social Security kicks in. He plans to leave Charlotte, his home since 1993, and retire to Boulder City, Nev., where he has a house. Instead of flying corporate jets, he may get a job flying tourists to the Grand Canyon nearby.
"It's a day job, and I can be home by night," Wolfe said.
Ceremonies like Wolfe's are increasingly common at US Airways, where the average pilot has more than 22 years of experience, according to an airline spokeswoman.
US Airways Chief Executive Doug Parker has said a higher retirement age won't have a significant financial impact on his airline. Pilots at that age have already reached the top of the pay scale, though older pilots may need more sick time.
The airline has taken no position on the issue.
 
"He plans to leave Charlotte, his home since 1993, and retire to Boulder City, Nev., where he has a house."


So he needs extra time to make up money and pay for the extra vacation house? Hmmmm...and I live in a crashpad.
 
Give up the left seat pops....

There's a wonderful world full of things you can do BESIDES flying, while you still have a few good years left to enjoy them.

Seriously.


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It is all about greed, and nothing else, more money for me. That's what it's all about. But, what I do believe it's even worse is for our own ALPA president to even entertain the idea of a change.

Not even a couple of months in office, and he has already divided the members more than any other time in the past. I guess the rumor of him becoming president so he can keep collecting a pay check past 60 is true.

The last survey from ALPA was very clear, almost 7 out 10 members don't want to change this rule. Why is Prater going against the will of the members. He needs to make another silly video stating that we as a group have spoken, WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE AGE 60 RULE. If he doesn't do it, can we try to have him "recalled", or ask for his resignation.
 
All I can say is that if this dude can't manually fly out of Vegas when he wants to (see highlighted paragraph) then he should have retired years ago.

The procedures at my airline REQUIRE an RNAV departure to be flown on the autopilot. Every departure I've ever done out of Vegas has been an RNAV departure. I fail to see your argument. Sorry.
 
"He plans to leave Charlotte, his home since 1993, and retire to Boulder City, Nev., where he has a house."


So he needs extra time to make up money and pay for the extra vacation house? Hmmmm...and I live in a crashpad.

Scenic is probably hiring. He can hand fly all he wants with 19 puking asians in the back!
 
The procedures at my airline REQUIRE an RNAV departure to be flown on the autopilot. Every departure I've ever done out of Vegas has been an RNAV departure. I fail to see your argument. Sorry.

What? Were they going to fire him for not using the autopilot?
 
I love it how the FAA is working on changing the retirement age to 65 because its the politically correct thing to do. Never mind working on important issues like the outdated rest rules that the NTSB has wanted changed for years.

I guess its more important to let the half dead old farts fly for an extra 5 years than to take on the serious issues that actually involve safety!!
 
The procedures at my airline REQUIRE an RNAV departure to be flown on the autopilot. Every departure I've ever done out of Vegas has been an RNAV departure. I fail to see your argument. Sorry.

The kids don't get it. TC
 
It is all about greed, and nothing else, more money for me. That's what it's all about.

I agree completely. This is the attitude of all the whinny little children that think they are entitled to somebody else's job. Age 65 is coming. Deal with it. You are not owed that place in line. They are the ones with 30 years experience and dedication. You are the freshmen on the block.
Do me a favor and read FLYING THE LINE, Tighten your Tie, Straighten your union pin, and be part of the solution. Not the problem.
 
WHAT?

There is a mandatory retirement age for airline pilots?! How come no-one told me about this? This must be a new rule. I am outraged, outraged I say!

I intend to pout, and pout hard. Someone forward that reporters e-mail address to that I can whine, - I mean protest this great and sudden injustice.

BTW. If I had been his CP and found out about that assinine wheelchair crap, I would have paid him off for the last trip and flown it myself. Anyone that immature doesn't need the final flight.
 
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I agree completely. This is the attitude of all the whinny little children that think they are entitled to somebody else's job. Age 65 is coming. Deal with it. You are not owed that place in line. They are the ones with 30 years experience and dedication. You are the freshmen on the block.
Do me a favor and read FLYING THE LINE, Tighten your Tie, Straighten your union pin, and be part of the solution. Not the problem.

This coming for a dash 8 punk? Get a real job....
 
Boo freaking hoo! Adjust your lifestyle or get a job at Walmart. Enjoy the golden years.

Esprit


Seriously, doesn't anyone want to retire and enjoy life? Grandchildren? Fly fishing? Golf? Anyone??
 
When your policy manual says to use the AP on NAV departures and you don't... Your breaking the rules. That's what your paid to do, follow SOP.

what are they going to do? fire him?
 
It's not always about what "they're" going to do.
 
In principle I have been in favor of dropping the age 60 limitation since before I had a job at the show.

I am in the left seat and would actually benifit from a change in the rule, but the constant whining and bitching, not to mention the self rightious crap I hear from those getting close the the wall, is enough to make me change my mind.

The fact is that those who are in the left seat when the rule changes are going to enjoy a windfall that no-one else will enjoy. That is simply the way it is. Life is always unfair to someone.

The thing that is irking me is to hear these guys rail about the "injustice" of the rule. Let's let everybody who is 60 to 65 when the rule changes come back to the line and see how the whiners feel about that.

The rule should be changed. I did a PC about ten years ago with a captain who was about three weeks away from his 60th and he was one of the sharper pencils in the box. I wish he could have been able to continue, but I would like to bounce some of the loudest whiners to the street tomorrow.
 
Most of you sound like a bunch doooooo-che bags. Ever think the guy just really likes his job, is still fully capable, and wants to keep flying out of pure enjoyment?

In 13 years of flying I've towed banners, CFI'd, flown for the EAA, done part 91 corporate stuff, 135 and 121, and am currently flying pointy nose jets off big grey boats. I like to think that I've experienced a lot of what aviation has to offer... and I don't see it ever getting old. Hell, I'm looking for a Kitfox for my days off. The day I'm forced to retire, I'll probably find some cush flying job, and continue to fly whatever I'm able to own. I can symapthize with this guy because he's one of the few around that sounds like he truely loves what he does. The way most of you bitch makes me wonder why you're even in the business.
 
Most of you sound like a bunch doooooo-che bags. Ever think the guy just really likes his job, is still fully capable, and wants to keep flying out of pure enjoyment?

In 13 years of flying I've towed banners, CFI'd, flown for the EAA, done part 91 corporate stuff, 135 and 121, and am currently flying pointy nose jets off big grey boats.


Sounds to me like the one thing you haven't done yet is sit on on reserve or live out a furlough or try to figure out how to get by for another five years as an FO on a payscale that was negotiated when age 65 had just been dealt with "once and for all" by the FAA . . . . yet you sure have an opinion.

Maybe you ought to shut your pie hole about something you obviously don't understand the ramifications of. It's not about "love of flying" it's about our livelihood. If these 60 year-old "MEEEE Generation" types want to keep flying "for the love of flying" they can fly corporate jets until they're flying 'em in Depends. Notice that they don't want to fly as FO's . . . . nope. TGhey want the dollars, and they don't care that a furloughed guy may have to wait another five years to get called back simply because these guys want a windfall.


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Do you recall the poster he was rebutting?
 
Ever notice, the more you earn, the more you spend.

I used to earn alot more (in a previous life), never imagined how I'd be able to live on what I make today. You make do. This guy has a lifestyle that he doesn't want to lose and it scares him! He had a short time to scramble and make up time when he lost that pension, so it's only natural that he got excited about age 65 .................... then time ran out!

He'll adjust.
 

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