Piedmonts Training "ONE LESS PERSON"

[Sig]

Wow...

 

[airmonkey]

I have no clue who this person in question is and don't want to sound like I'm encouraging anyone to spill the beans about someones record/history/eff-ups. BUT what kinda criminal record can keep you off the line YET allow you to stay on the property?

 

[NCFlyer]

I have no clue who this person in question is and don't want to sound like I'm encouraging anyone to spill the beans about someones record/history/eff-ups. BUT what kinda criminal record can keep you off the line YET allow you to stay on the property?

I know who the person in question is, and was wondering the same thing?

 

[flypixs]

Why you busting on Jay Keen and the Piedmont folks?
You don't see us coming to your place of work and kicking d$cks out of your mouth do you? We will allow you to continue your sucking ways, so just let it go little man.

For some reason you just can't let Piedmont go! Did mommy and daddy not give you much love?

Wsurf,

How are you doing these days? Hope they are treating you good over there at PDT.

Come on, we both know that Jay should not be in office and that he is simply a prigg. I spend my days in his office trying to explain myself for some stupid thing I did or said. And for AW, I never had respect for him after he joined the TR dep. He changed and became a hard a$$. Like I said, fact is a fact.

Keep smiling.

 

[WSurf]

Wsurf,

How are you doing these days? Hope they are treating you good over there at PDT.

Come on, we both know that Jay should not be in office and that he is simply a prigg. I spend my days in his office trying to explain myself for some stupid thing I did or said. And for AW, I never had respect for him after he joined the TR dep. He changed and became a hard a$$. Like I said, fact is a fact.

Keep smiling.

Probably True, but my response was mostly towards GreyGhost. He just can't seem to get Piedmont off his mind!


Got my Happy Face on!

 

[Inconceivable]

I know nothing about he person involved, but multiple DUIs are one example.

 

[MEL'ed]

AW has supposedly been working on a W&B form update since he sent out the suggestions e-mail months ago. Claims it is a lack of time issue in getting it done. I call bs. It doesn't take that much time to redo the form, making it easier to figure out how many more bags/pax we can get on rather than doing it on a seperate sheet of paper. Point being, he can't finish what he starts. He does what he is told rather than thinking for himself too. He was ok two years plus ago and every time I go back down there, he gets worse about stupid things. Does he want to be seen as the hard guy so he can take over Jays job as the lead dweeb one day?

As for the training in other cities, why don't we? Get a few more training instructors and then process more FOs and CA upgrades. It is a known fact we need pilots. Why would the company have any reservations in speeding up the training process? Even if does mean we send them to other cities. Then again, common sense ain't so common around here.

 

[Sig]

It doesn't take that much time to redo the form, making it easier to figure out how many more bags/pax we can get on rather than doing it on a seperate sheet of paper.

ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME?

That's about freaking pathetic, dude. If you don't know how to figure out, within seconds, how to see how many more bags or people we can carry WITHOUT USING A CALCULATOR, you're either a moron---- or can't think.

I'm not apologizing for that, either.

The information is right there- if you have to count on your fingers how many times 30 goes into 184, or how many carryons equals how many bags, or why the payload is what it is and where the load limit numbers magically come from, then.... well, yeah, I guess we need a new WB form.

Holy cow. This is what a certain professor would call "intuitively obvious."

 

[Stifler's Mom]

...if you have to count on your fingers how many times 30 goes into 184...

5...no wait, don't tell me......7...no, that's not it. 6. 6 is the answer.

 

[MEL'ed]

ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME?

That's about freaking pathetic, dude. If you don't know how to figure out, within seconds, how to see how many more bags or people we can carry WITHOUT USING A CALCULATOR, you're either a moron---- or can't think.

I'm not apologizing for that, either.

The information is right there- if you have to count on your fingers how many times 30 goes into 184, or how many carryons equals how many bags, or why the payload is what it is and where the load limit numbers magically come from, then.... well, yeah, I guess we need a new WB form.

Holy cow. This is what a certain professor would call "intuitively obvious."

And if you have 134# of cargo, 33 pax, 2 of which are kids, at the bag limit with 1 heavy with 6 carry-ons. Can we get 2 non revs with a carryon onboard? If not, how many more checked bags from previous flights? I dunno off the top of my head! In your words then, YES I am an effing moron. Sorry, not everyone can be an all star mathlete like you. Too much for me to figure how many kids equal how many bags with cargo. It would just be simpler if we could add add up all adults, kids, checked, carryon, cargo in one column and leave it rather than on 20 seperate lines or doing it on a seperate sheet of paper. I'm also effing lazy if you wanna know, but I like to get ppl where they are going with their bags.

 

[Sig]

It has nothing to do with being a mathlete. It's all about thinking. The 100 is the plane where the problems arise, right?

It's all about what nerds would call an aliquot partial.

If you know a kid's worth 108#, then you're on the ball.

If you see the fuel after taxi is 3100 or less, you know that max ZFW for the planned flight is the problem.

Just look at the numbers, and play the aliquot game. It's wayyyyy too easy.

I know how many bags immediately the 134# rags you, plus 216# for the kids. You just have to look at the restrictions and relax. It will work out for you.

Add up the adults? Too much work. Go with the figures you have, play the pluses and minuses, and read the release.

** I just thought of something. I've seen releases from two dispatchers that somehow come up with a payload + bow = 32400. THAT will kill you. But the other numbers are there... Too much sweat.

It's odd that the restrictions almost always work out to a ZFW of 31351 when it's tight.

*** FURTHER edit: 108 is a magic number, with a root that's shared by 20 and 30. It all goes to hell in the winter, though. I'll give you that.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I'll save you all the misery

al·i·quot [al-i-kwuht]

–adjective
1.Mathematics. forming an exact proper divisor: An aliquot part of 15 is 5.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

It has nothing to do with being a mathlete. It's all about thinking. The 100 is the plane where the problems arise, right?

It's all about what nerds would call an aliquot partial.

If you know a kid's worth 108#, then you're on the ball.

If you see the fuel after taxi is 3100 or less, you know that max ZFW for the planned flight is the problem.

Just look at the numbers, and play the aliquot game. It's wayyyyy too easy.

I know how many bags immediately the 134# rags you, plus 216# for the kids. You just have to look at the restrictions and relax. It will work out for you.

Add up the adults? Too much work. Go with the figures you have, play the pluses and minuses, and read the release.

** I just thought of something. I've seen releases from two dispatchers that somehow come up with a payload + bow = 32400. THAT will kill you. But the other numbers are there... Too much sweat.

It's odd that the restrictions almost always work out to a ZFW of 31351 when it's tight.

*** FURTHER edit: 108 is a magic number, with a root that's shared by 20 and 30. It all goes to hell in the winter, though. I'll give you that.

Aww darn.

My brain blew up all over my new keyboard. What a mess.

Now where the fudge is my calculator?

 

[Sig]

Yeah. All of the above.

I received my first college credits in Calculus. I was also 13.

I'm a nerd.

*for an example of aliquot partials in action:

consider 124 x 17.

120 x 17 = (12x10 + 7x120 [which is 7x100 + 7x20])= (1200 + 700 + 140) = 2040

2040 + (4x17 [which is 4x10 + 7x4]) = 2040 + 68 = 2108.

I guarantee you could do that in your head- the trick is remembering the bastards that make up the parts.

 

[NCFlyer]

Let's get back to the form.

I have complained about that form since the day we started using it. Head math or calculator, what ever. But any W&B form for a DHC8 that has up to 20 numbers just to reach ZFW is way to complicated and prone to errors.

The old PDT loading schedules were so easy. X paxs = bags between Y-Z. You were in the zone around 80% of the time.

 

[kf4amu]

Yeah. All of the above.

I received my first college credits in Calculus. I was also 13.

I'm a nerd.

*for an example of aliquot partials in action:

consider 124 x 17.

120 x 17 = (12x10 + 7x120 [which is 7x100 + 7x20])= (1200 + 700 + 140) = 2040

2040 + (4x17 [which is 4x10 + 7x4]) = 2040 + 68 = 2108.

I guarantee you could do that in your head- the trick is remembering the bastards that make up the parts.

I've been doing that for a while but on a much much lesser scale. I was always calling it interpolation...

No way can I do what you just did, but simpler things come pretty naturally.

 

[Sig]

But any W&B form for a DHC8 that has up to 20 numbers just to reach ZFW is way to complicated and prone to errors.

No, no, and furthermore, no.

First, make sure the MAXPL adds up to the restricting weight; it's usually obvious, but it can change with temp as that changes with the Aerodata... uh, data, and be aware of what's what when you're in strange places (HHH!).

After that is assured, just look at two numbers: Max PAX, Max BAGS.

You're done.

It isn't 20 numbers, it's two.

Swap bags for pax. Know that -1 pax = +6 bags, +7 bags = -1 pax, 2 kids = 216# (which is +1 pax or +7 bags), understand that 3/2 of a carry on is 1 bag, and you can very easily swap out cargo for either.

A big limiting factor is the "wellllll.... I have X bags and Q pax inside."

Get a specific number of bags, and STOP. This is how you STOP: "Captain, we have to get a specific number of bags...."

Problem solved, very easily.

*added +/- where needed.

 

[NCFlyer]

Sig,

I'm with you. The release usually has the max payload, divide that however you want between pax & bags. It does continue to amaze me how many intelligent folks have trouble with simple math.

But my point is you could have as many as 20 different entries on the W&B pad just to reach ZFW. At least I think it is 20 and I'm to lazy to look it up. I'm talking about BOW, closet adjustment, ACM, 4 cabin zones with adults & kids, 3 cargo zones with checked bags, carry-on bags & cargo. That many entries for a simple W&B is going to lead to errors.

 

[FirstMate]

I always thought it was funny how if you and the capt each worked the actual whizwheel, there was always quite a difference with the calculated index!

Check your PM's NCflyer

 

[FirstMate]

I could spin that dam wheel 10 times and get 10 different index numbers each time!