Piedmont Schedules

[daviator28621]

Can anyone tell me what the schedules are like for new guys , reserve as well as line holders in Roanoke Crew base.

DON'T just say they suck!!!!!

Please give me the details so I can know a little better what to expect.

Things like duty times, days you work in a row, where you will overnight most of the time etc...

An actual schedule would be nice to see.

Thank you in advance for mature helpful answers.

David

 

[twighead]

I'm not based in ROA, but if you are on reserve in any base it will be 10 days off per month with 6 day reserve stretches. (sometimes less than 6 days in a row where it is needed to fit your 10 days off and the 4 off days in a row they are required to give you.)

As a build up or bottom line holder you looking at about 12 days off.

edit: oh yeah, forgot to add that on a reserve day you are on call from 0500-1900. Enjoy.

 

[avl_pilot]

Pretty much as stated above, you get 10 days off a month and inside your 10 days off you get 4 golden days where scheduling can not junior man you. Six days of reserve is normal with about 1 or 2 days off after that stretch. While on a six day stretch they have to give you 10 hours of in-base rest before sending you out on day 6. Also, while on reserve your going to be covering flying in all bases so if your based in EWN you could easily be working a 4-day trip with a SYR crew. After you get enough senority you can move up to a build-up line then a hard line. Once you get one of these your QOL will get better as you have a couple more days off a month and you have a better idea of what your schedule is going to be.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

Are there actually people sitting reserve for longer than a month at PDT? I did 3 days of reserve in my career there...

 

[quinnlake]

DON'T just say they suck!!!!!


O.k.- I won't say it. The truth-- you say you want the truth-- you can't handle the truth.

 

[avl_pilot]

Are there actually people sitting reserve for longer than a month at PDT? I did 3 days of reserve in my career there...

I sat reserve for just over a year in EWN last year. I think the few guys under me will be on reserve for a while too, but maybe not as long as I did.

 

[lear24]

Things like duty times, days you work in a row, where you will overnight most of the time etc...

They are limited to scheduling a 14 hour duty day, once it is scheduled to fit in a 14 hour day, it may run over to a 15.5 hour duty day for maintenance, weather, etc. They are abusing this section of the contract (among others) with vigor right now to try to make up for the short staffing situation. Expect to see plenty of 12-13 hour days and know your contract.

 

[WSurf]

They are limited to scheduling a 14 hour duty day, once it is scheduled to fit in a 14 hour day, it may run over to a 15.5 hour duty day for maintenance, weather, etc. They are abusing this section of the contract (among others) with vigor right now to try to make up for the short staffing situation. Expect to see plenty of 12-13 hour days and know your contract.

Yes! Know your contract! Make sure you asked either your Captain or a senior FO if you think what they are doing isn't right (Probably isn't)! We have a bunch of new people in that Dept. they don't know the contract either!
I have flown with many FO's that had there days rescheduled with less then 9 hrs of rest!

Remember, if they reschedule you...... You have got to be scheduled 9 hours of rest!! (which if the plane is late or weather, it can be reduced) I have seen this a bunch while trying to short turn people for only 8.5hrs of rest!


Good Luck :-0

 

[daviator28621]

During the 10 days off, am I on call for 6 of them?

While on reserve I can be anywhere for the 4-6 days if I understand you correctly?

Once I hold a line will I be back in base most every night?

Sorry for all the probably dumb questions, I'm just trying to understand how the schedule works.

I envisioned 4 on, 3 off, 5 on 2 off, or something like this.

Thanks

 

[OPECJet]

Every new guy I see, the first thing I do is introduce myself, then ask if I may see their crew card. (New guys are easily distinguished by the bellman's outfit this company is going to, as well as the temp ID since Tempe has their head in the sand about getting permanent ones out.)

Just about every one I see is borderline illegal by having a show time 2 hours after departure and a 14 hour day. I've also been hearing about pilots not having a hotel room booked on a 9 hour overnight, and then spending 3 hours of that waiting on scheduling to find a hotel, then another hour at least getting to the new hotel.

As far as lines go, forget about commuting. Early reports, late finish times.

Individual pairings are as unproductive as they could possibly be. 15 hour 4 day trips are not uncommon.

I got rescheduled a few trips ago ending up with a 31 hour 4 day and a junior man extension on top. That was actually a good trip. If they would build 4 days similar to that, we wouldn't be as short as we are.

Side note.. Our chief pilot can't understand why pilots are complaining about being flogged. He thinks things are fine and dandy, and that no one is fatigued.

He just doesn't get it....

Stay as far away from this place as possible!

 

[Sig]

It's getting severe.

I've been given another 14:17 scheduled duty day over the weekend. The best part? It was on a junior man. A double junior man. A 31 hour 6 day that credited north of 40 hours, and including the premium pay just shy of 50 hours.

And they wonder why we're calling out sick? Ya know, the ones who CAN fly, who don't get a bonus for doing this crap, the ones who -gasp- are capable of doing the job?

I tell ya, OPEC- what I'm hearing from captains about the newhires makes me ashamed to work here. If they're worth 5 grand, you and I are worth three billion.

 

[CutEmUp]

How long do you have, while on call, to get to the airplane? If you have to be on call starting at 0500 and have a one hour call, does that mean you would never have to be at the airplane earlier than 0600?

 

[Sig]

During the 10 days off, am I on call for 6 of them?

No. Those are days off. 4 of which are unmovable, in a row, and you're totally untouchable.

While on reserve I can be anywhere for the 4-6 days if I understand you correctly?

Sort of. Know your contract- you can't be on the road five days without being back in base.

Once I hold a line will I be back in base most every night?

Huh? No. Unless you're in LGA.

I envisioned 4 on, 3 off, 5 on 2 off, or something like this.

Thanks

That's usually how it goes with a line. Lately, it's been horrible to show up to work here.

 

[OPECJet]

Reserve call out depends on what base you're at. In no case will it be less than 1hr 15 min.

The lines in my base usually have 4 to 5 on, then 2 to 3 off. A few have longer off stretch in them.

Out of the 10 days off on a reserve line, 4 are hard days off. The other 6 can be moved (can't remember the exact provision), but in no case will you have less than 10 days off in a month.

 

[lear24]

No. Those are days off. 4 of which are unmovable, in a row, and you're totally untouchable.

Just to add the changes to that... Every reserve line must have one 4 day stretch of consecutive days off per the contract. The old reserve language made that four day stretch 'golden', or immune from assignment by the company, meaning they can't touch you, reserve day move you, etc, so you could plan something to do on your days off. The new reserve system gives the pilot the option of placing their 4 'golden' days on either the 4 day stretch or two 2 day stretches. I was using the two 2 day option more often than the four, because frequently the 4 day stretch would happen after 6 days of reserve, so they couldn't touch me on the first day of the 4 day stretch anyway (24 in 7 per FARs for those who aren't following). The two 2 day option made it less likely to have a reserve day moved and end up with a one day break. The option to place 'golden' days where the pilot wants them was supposed to be ALG style, where you could truly put them wherever you wanted them, but it seems the company interpreted this as either the 4 day or two 2 days, and it was accepted as such. (At ALG you could place one golden day on the first day of four stretches of days off, making you almost always untouchable).

For you new guys, one 1 day break is allowed every month and most senior guys don't know that a one day break on a reserve line DOES count as one of your 10 days off in a month. (It does not count as one of your minimum 10 days off in a month for a line holder). Nothing prevents a one day break at the end of one month, rolling into a stretch of days of work, then a one day off break in the beginning of the following month. Several times I got 6 on, 1 off, 6 on, 1 off, 5 or 6 on.

 

[GlenQ]

In my opinion, LGA has great schedules...most junior lines for Aug. are running 15 days off/mo minimum. In my time there, I've never had less than 15 days off, and was only on reserve for about 3 weeks...they're actually pretty sweet schedules here in LGA

 

[OPECJet]

If you live in base or don't mind a crash pad, LGA lines are great.

 

[CutEmUp]

How long is it taking newhires to hold a line out of ROA or MDT?

Also, what is the feesability of commuting to these bases. Please be specific (earliest outbounds, latest inbounds).

Thanks

 

[norskman2]

If you live in base or don't mind a crash pad, LGA lines are great.

How junior is LGA?

 

[zasca]

I've seen outbounds as early as 5:00, w/ 6-6:30 being very common. inbounds can go into the wee hours, terminating at the outstation bases 10:30/11pm... Who knows where you'll go once you get here. Stay away from lga, no soup for you.