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Dash8

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well dunno if that would be the case, i wouldn't put it past them although they wouldn't have a leg to stand on because the contract clearly states 1hour, but thats the real point of my advice...don't circumvent or undermine the contract provisions...you start showin up in less than an hour when requested, and others too, soon the company has 'past practice' to try to get the call out times reduced, we already have a fight going on over the 1.5 hour call out in lga not being long enough, so thats really what i was gettin at, was giving mgmt ammunition against the contract
 

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Sitting reserve in CLT? Wow. Watch out for that Jamba Juice in CLT, the stuff is like crack, pretty soon you'll be borrowing money from capts to get your fix. Anyway, like they were saying... I can tell you from personal experience that they will try to get you out to the airport in less than an hour, or call you before your duty time starts. They sweet talk you when they need something, but I guarantee you they won't repay the favor. Have fun out there.
 

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don't mean to jack the tread..... but what are the upgrade times running at Piedmont right now? and how long are guys sitting reserve?

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Upgrade? Is that where you get to go back to training and sit in the other seat when you finish?

I don't think we have that at Piedmont anymore.

Reserve time will vary with your base. I would guess around 6 months or so. Could be less, could be more.
 

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What's the reserve call out time?
Can someone list bases in their order of seniority, please?
I heard MDT and CLT are pretty senior, not so much with SYR and EWN.
 

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PA31Ho said:
i'll keep that in mind.. so if i tell them that i'll be there in 20 minutes, then they'll hold me to that and i'll get in trouble if i sign in in an hour? pretty crappy of that
No, you won't get in trouble for that. Still, as Dash8 said, it would be better not to tell them when you expect to arrive at the airport. A simple "I'll do the best I can" will suffice.

ceo-on-the-sofa:

As far as call out goes, it is 60 minutes. I haven't analyzed the FO manning list in quite some time, but I am told that MDT and CLT are tough to get into. SYR and SBY are probably easiest, with CHO, ROA and EWN next. LGA seems fairly junior as well.
 

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Im bored so here it goes....for FOs....
Most junior line holder in -
CHO hired Nov. 04 (80 pilots below on list)
SBY hired Dec. 04 (76 pilots below on list, where I am...no movement)
ROA hired Nov. 04 (100 pilots below on list)
MDT hired Feb. 04 (53 pilots below in list, this base has about a 50/50 mix of very senior FOs and rather junior ones.)
LGA hired March 05 (41 pilots below on list)
ORF/PHF hired Aug. 04 (110 pilots below on list)
CLT hired April 04 (157 pilots below on list)
EWN hired Dec. 04 (71 pilots below on list)
SYR hired June 05 (30 pilots below on list)

....ok....hope this helps, price is right is coming on...later
 

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Thanks for the base info. What's the typical schedule for a line holder?
 

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I don't think there is a 'typical schedule' but like AirCannon04 said - price is right is coming on now... c ya
 

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call out times are 1hr everywhere except lga where its 1.5hrs

base seniority is really up in the air, thats a good list that air cannon put up, but its subject to change without notice, particularly with the typical 'base realignment' threats

lowlypropcapt gave a great phrase to use "i'll do the best i can" thats probably the no1 answer you should give scheduling whenever they call you out and want you asap (ie, less than the contract mandated callout time for whatever base your in) either that or, "I'll be there in an hour" (1.5 if its lga obviously even if your in a crashpad, 10 walking minutes away)

This contract is all we have, learn the important parts of it so the schedulers can't push you around. If you can quote paragraph and page numbers to them, that often times seems to make them back down lol (haven't had to do it personally, but know those that have)

typical schedules? also in flux, at one time, lga had fairly decent trips, as did syr, but now both bases have gone to hell (meaning lots, and lots, and in the case of lga LOTS, of out-n-backs) I haven't gone thru the other bases lines too much, but they seem to be a little more stable.

price is right? whada y'all retired or something? last time i saw that, it was a bunch of crusty hags pawin' junk while bob barker prostelyzes about cuttin up your animals lol

unfortunately theres nothing on tv now for me to go watch, so instead i'll go kill me some nah-zees in Call of Duty
 

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crew sked's....

Crew schedulers---Veronica is my favorite. "hold on baby, hold on baby, wait a minute ,hold on im pulling it up right now, hold on hold on hold on, ok, wait a sec"....and that was only after i only had spoken one sentence "hello this is ____"....But no, I really do like her the most for some reason.

And don't try and get into some huge argument with them or loretta or whoever. Your not going to win whatever battle your trying to fight with them during that particular phone conversation. If your being asked to do something thats way out of the question with regards to FAR's, contract, etc, then ok thats different. Ive heard some people really fly off the handle at them for what amounted to nothing. Maybe you can take it to another level later on and win the war, but just start off and be courteous, polite, etc.

Once I got a call from Penny about something she needed me to do that was quite a bit out of my way at the time, im not going to go into the whole story. She told me "thank you so much for the way your handling this, etc, we've been cursed out over the phone for a lot less". I know everyone says theres no reason to do them any favors because they will never remember or get you back at a later date, and maybe for some of the schedulers thats true. But you never know, you might be presently suprised one day. I was.

Don't believe every single thing some other pilot at this company tells you. Chances are he/she is only saying that because he heard it from this guy, who said he heard someone telling a story about what he thinks might have happened, etc. Leave some room to form your own opinions about certain things, not just letting someone else make them for you. You ever remember that game back in grade school, telephone. Where you whisper something in someones ear and have it passed down the line and when it gets to the end its nothing like it started as. Happens a lot here and everywhere else.
 
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I wonder what ever happened to Candy? God, I miss that naughty little mouth of hers...
 

ceo_of_the_sofa

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Sorry for the thread hijack, but what does BAFAN stand for?
 

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JohnnyP:

You're right, Veronica is something else. Barry White meets Aunt Jemima! I always chuckle when she picks up the phone. "Hold on Honey!"

The rest of your post is right on the money. Treat people right and generally it will help you down the road.

First Mate:

You mean I wasn't the only one? :(
 

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So whats the deal, are we parking airplanes or pulling some back into the fleet? I would tend to lean towards we are parking them because of the upcoming Nov/Dec classes being supposedly cancelled? From what I can see the training department is not backed up. Alg's guys are done and no one is upgrading. All thats left is the weekely CQ stuff and the last new hire bunch thats going through as we speak. One of the days I was down there a few weeks ago the sim was free for an entire day I believe, and I dont think it was for MX.
 

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Hard to say. I haven't heard we are parking airplanes. The only things I have heard (from training folks) is that we are pulling two airframes out of long term storage. That won't be a net increase in flying because we will have one airplane in heavy check and at least one in the paint shop (about time!) per month starting in January.

I wonder where we are getting the airplanes painted. Sounds like someone is going to spend some time in Clarksburg WV, Greenville MS or Mena AR. Those are the airline capable paint shops I know about anyway.
 

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Word from the training dep, is that they were going to rev up newhire and upgrades classes for PHX flying. But, when Mesa heard this, they reminded AWA that Mesa holds all the rights for any connecting flights for AWA in and out of PHX till 2007. So Nov and Dec newhire classes were CNX and Dec upgrade class was CNX. Newhire and upgrade class should start in Jan.
 

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Darn and I was looking forward to a cross-country commute to PHX!
 
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