Piedmont has declared war on its pilots.

[Sig]

The latest and greatest from a sked supe to a newhire class:

"My name is (of little or no value), and I'm a real 'B.' I am not afraid of your union, and I'll do what I want."

While nobody will argue that self-characterization, I think the number of times said supe gone out of their way to screw us might make that first sentence extreme understatement.

This individual has no problem breaking the contract daily. What the real issue is the way this... this... person... puts us in harm's way by willingly breaking FARs.

This person is NOT your boss (the equivalent of a secretary, really), can NOT tell you to do something outside the contract, and certainly can NOT force you to fly contrary to the FARs. Since the company hasn't terminated this person (yet), clearly they condone this behavior and illegal methodology.

It is going to continue unless we start filing grievances and ASAPs by the dozen.

Get busy, folks.

 

[Spartus]

The union and the CP have been made aware of this. probably doesn't matter but they know.

 

[Sig]

The union and the CP have been made aware of this. probably doesn't matter but they know.

Regarding her comments to the newhires?

We'll see what happens. I just got two more blatant contract violations in my hand. I've absolutely had it.

 

[landlover]

what is it with schedulers and thinking they run the show. you make phone calls and used MS excel get over yourself!

 

[BoilerUP]

What an introduction...

"Welcome to Piedmont - go fark yourself, cuz that's exactly what I'm going to do to you."

 

[Sig]

There is a threshold where apathy goes by the wayside and some sort of action occurs. I think we're sick and tired of management quietly condoning this kind of crap behavior to the point where folks are going to start firing back at this lunatic.

Let's get real here- this person has a very simple, very low-tech and low-cognition job. It is something that a part-time waiter can do... it's EXACTLY what a part-time waiter does, in fact! You read that correctly: Part time wait staff on the side. But for us to be considered subordinate to such a low ordinal human being is insulting enough.

We have a fantastic system board of adjustment that needs to be dusted off and used heavily.

 

[PCL_128]

I don't know about PDT, but at both unionized carriers I've worked for, if scheduling tried to assign you something illegal or against the contract, then you could demand a statement from the CP or DO that it was legal. Do you guys have that ability?

 

[Sig]

...then you could demand a statement from the CP or DO that it was legal. Do you guys have that ability?

The chain exists, and they're on it. But the problem is that this person STILL DOES THIS. The harm is done, it's 10:30 at night, and your name goes in some ridiculous "log" forever for being "insubordinate." (HA! Insubordinate? That's a laugh. That implies an order in which we're below that... person.) Magically, someone who is capable of making such a judgment call is unavailable, or the (usually new) pilot is brow-beaten into compliance.

I have witnessed FAR violations thanks to this person's inability to follow kindergarten level rules. This person has petitioned that level of management directly to violate the contract.

The Feds are involved now, which is nice.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

SIG, This has always been my understanding:

A sched supe CANNOT order you to do anything whatsoever. They are not in your chain of command, they just are drones. If you believe you are in the right, you must be allowed to speak with a pilot supervisor who can then order you to fly the said trip. At that point you tell them you are working under protest, and the grievance process begins.

Personally, I waste no time on schedulers. I jump right to the pilot supervisor part ('Yes "C", I know it is 2330, get the Chief on the phone anyhow'). That has averted a few assignments of dubious legality for me.

If a pilot supervisor in unavailable, than so am I!

 

[CutEmUp]

My first day in Salisbury was complete with said person (whose name is representative of how much she's worth) saying, "I am the company b*^$& and I like my title." All I could think was wow, how professional.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

(whose name is representative of how much she's worth)

Flightinfo quote of the week! Very witty!

4 stars awarded to you, sir. Enjoy your cookie.

 

[jellynuts]

bunch of bi$^#es

 

[pilotx86]

The latest and greatest from a sked supe to a newhire class:

"My name is (of little or no value), and I'm a real 'B.' I am not afraid of your union, and I'll do what I want."

Wow...i remember she said the EXACT same thing to us in our class....first thing in the morning: "I'm (insert her name here) from crew scheduling, and just to let you all know, i can be a real b*tch."

Then she blabbed as our pizza sat in the back..nobody listened to her as our pizza's smell overcame whatever was coming out her mouth.

 

[General Lee]

Let's ask Wsurf what he thinks of PDT? He loves New Bern, and actually has a house with a dock on the water, to help catch crawdads he can eat. He never wants to leave.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[LearLove]

SIG, This has always been my understanding:

A sched supe CANNOT order you to do anything whatsoever. They are not in your chain of command, they just are drones. If you believe you are in the right, you must be allowed to speak with a pilot supervisor who can then order you to fly the said trip. At that point you tell them you are working under protest, and the grievance process begins.

Personally, I waste no time on schedulers. I jump right to the pilot supervisor part ('Yes "C", I know it is 2330, get the Chief on the phone anyhow'). That has averted a few assignments of dubious legality for me.

If a pilot supervisor in unavailable, than so am I!

exactly - don't argue with anyone in sked (top sked guy or bottom sked guy) just ask to speak with a pilot supervisor. pilot supervisor is the DO or CP. I've had to do this twice in the past 10 days and it is much better than haggeling over the phone with a sked. person.

 

[Sig]

You all get it- but the system is broken. It's the supervisory level that has said one too many times, "F the contract, I'll do what I want." All well and good, until we're looking at 3 FOs staring a violation in the face for busting 16 hours... and that data is in front of their faces as soon as you approach 15.

The directive to get the flying done has gone too far.

You're exactly right- they can't tell us to do squat- but then again, we're on the hook way too often.

 

[Whataburger]

Gannon used to have the same intro. Unfortunately the union's teeth aren't sharp enough to do anything about it.

Look on the bright side. All the BS you have to put up at with PDT will give you PLENTY of "Tell me about a time..." stories.

 

[MINIME]

A simple call to your POI or your local FISDO should solve some of those problems. It should start something like," In the interest of safety, I'd like to make you aware of......"

 

[Rally]

Exactly invite the POI to sit in a class from start to finish....unannouced.

 

[Deadalus]

If you're chief pilot won't do anything(he should), go to the union. If the union won't do anything, the feds need to know about this kind of unacceptable behavior. I've seen two schedulers fired because of this kind of attitude, one I personally helped with.

 

[labbats]

Everything a scheduler says to you over the phone is recorded. You'll find it amazing how much their tone will change when the word safety comes out of your mouth regarding their antics.

After almost 2 years of reserve I have no patience for the runaround. The instant I feel pressured I ask to speak to a supervisor. End of story.

I suggest anyone and everyone do the same.

 

[landlover]

dont forget about the F-word. Fatigue. that works wonders as well

 

[WSurf]

dont forget about the F-word. Fatigue. that works wonders as well

And don't forget the other F-word, that works wonders as well!

 

[Grey Ghost]

I guess after all those years of sniffing chicken poop makes you think you can do whatever you want to your employees!!

 

[Whataburger]

I guess after all those years of sniffing chicken poop makes you think you can do whatever you want to your employees!!

Sniffing it? They dry it and use it as Christmas ornaments among other things.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

"Flying the line part 1" Read it, its quit amusing, the airline execs are so stupid that they can't even reinvent the wheel, they use the same old playbook. The only thing more pathetic are the pilots who refuse to educate themselves, and fall for the same old bait and switch technique.
PBR

 

[BoilerUP]

The only thing more pathetic are the pilots who refuse to educate themselves, and fall for the same old bait and switch technique.

FI Post of the Year, on the last day of the year.

 

[doug_or]

I was doing okay at PDT, until I crossed paths with her and the late LB. Every conversation with them was motivation to send out an app or study for interviews. I probably never would have left without that extra push they gave me. I hope SBY enjoyed paying to train, recruit and give a bonus to my replacement. (not to mention pay a captain super secret triple overtime to fly right seat).

 

[PCL_128]

"Flying the line part 1" Read it, its quit amusing, the airline execs are so stupid that they can't even reinvent the wheel, they use the same old playbook.

Why change the playbook when the same old plays keep working 75 years later? As you said, pilots are uninformed and uneducated, by choice. They bring problems on themselves.

 

[twighead]

They already tried to call me for a Jr. man tomorrow. They must have been looking forward to Jan 1 for the last 7 months to get me and everyone else who was capped months ago.