Pick the fleet...

[JDE]

Here's the mission:

Required:
1. Good high/hot performance - (ie ABQ in the middle of August, and still have some range)
2. Decent Range - farthest leg would occasionally be no more than 1850 nm
3. APU
4. Lav

Would be nice:
1. Stand-up cabin
2. Plenty of baggage

Ok, so here are the options:

A: 1 Sovereign & either 1 Excel, CJ2, or Bravo/Ultra
B: 2 XLS'
C: 2 800XP's
D: 2 LJ45XR's
E: 1 DA50EX & 1 DA10 (company already has DA10)
F: 1 Citation X & 1 DA10

What is your choice and why?

 

[SpaceBall 1]

What (if any) is the budget?

I would look at the FA-50EX and FA-10 combo.

1: It is a known product line to you for reasons of support.
2: Both built like tanks and will do what you need.
3: Lower acquisition costs. (only buying one jet)
4: What is the most reliable? Probably the Falcons.

If no budget..........why not a pair of G-350's

I would also look at the CL-300. Not for sure how it does high and hot, but looks like a nice bird. Only problem is Bombardier support sucks.

 

[GVFlyer]

Here's the mission:

Required:
1. Good high/hot performance - (ie ABQ in the middle of August, and still have some range)
2. Decent Range - farthest leg would occasionally be no more than 1850 nm
3. APU
4. Lav

Would be nice:
1. Stand-up cabin
2. Plenty of baggage

Ok, so here are the options:

A: 1 Sovereign & either 1 Excel, CJ2, or Bravo/Ultra
B: 2 XLS'
C: 2 800XP's
D: 2 LJ45XR's
E: 1 DA50EX & 1 DA10 (company already has DA10)
F: 1 Citation X & 1 DA10

What is your choice and why?

2 X Gulfstream G150

$27 million for two

17'8" L x 5'9" H x 5'9" W Cabin

80 cu. ft. Baggage Capacity

M 0.85 Mmo

2400 nm range @ M 0.80

2700 nm range @ M 0.75

26,000 lb. Max T/O Wt.

21.700 lb. Max LDG Wt.

15,100 lb. Spec Operating Wt.

2,400 lb Max Payload

10,250 lb. Max Fuel

800 lb Max Payload / Full Fuel

FL410 Initial Altitude

FL450 Max Altitude

$1,112 DOC

5,830 ft. T/O Dist. SL, ISA, MTOW

3,450 ft. LDG Dist. SL, ISA, MLW

Gulfstream Support to include Airborne Product Support


GV

 

[banned username 2]

Here's the mission:

Required:
1. Good high/hot performance - (ie ABQ in the middle of August, and still have some range)
2. Decent Range - farthest leg would occasionally be no more than 1850 nm
3. APU
4. Lav

Would be nice:
1. Stand-up cabin
2. Plenty of baggage

Ok, so here are the options:

A: 1 Sovereign & either 1 Excel, CJ2, or Bravo/Ultra
B: 2 XLS'
C: 2 800XP's
D: 2 LJ45XR's
E: 1 DA50EX & 1 DA10 (company already has DA10)
F: 1 Citation X & 1 DA10

What is your choice and why?

Choice E...

You already have a Falcon 10, the Falcon 50EX would be an excellent addition. The Falcon 50EX gives you plenty of range, excellent hot/high performance, great runway performance and flies like a dream.

On a 30°C day out of KABQ, the Falcon 50EX can carry 8 passengers and 400 lbs of bags nearly 6 hours and still have IFR reserves.

 

[G100driver]

2 X Gulfstream G150

$27 million for two

17'8" L x 5'9" H x 5'9" W Cabin

80 cu. ft. Baggage Capacity

M 0.85 Mmo

2400 nm range @ M 0.80

2700 nm range @ M 0.75

26,000 lb. Max T/O Wt.

21.700 lb. Max LDG Wt.

15,100 lb. Spec Operating Wt.

2,400 lb Max Payload

10,250 lb. Max Fuel

800 lb Max Payload / Full Fuel

FL410 Initial Altitude

FL450 Max Altitude

$1,112 DOC

5,830 ft. T/O Dist. SL, ISA, MTOW

3,450 ft. LDG Dist. SL, ISA, MLW

Gulfstream Support to include Airborne Product Support


GV

Nice to see you touting the company line

Yep, Gulfstream knows how to build 'em. I really like how they made boots silver!

 

[Lead Sled]

I'd take a look at a pair of Astra SPXes or G100s.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Here's the mission:

Required:
1. Good high/hot performance - (ie ABQ in the middle of August, and still have some range)
2. Decent Range - farthest leg would occasionally be no more than 1850 nm
3. APU
4. Lav

Would be nice:
1. Stand-up cabin
2. Plenty of baggage

Ok, so here are the options:

A: 1 Sovereign & either 1 Excel, CJ2, or Bravo/Ultra
B: 2 XLS'
C: 2 800XP's
D: 2 LJ45XR's
E: 1 DA50EX & 1 DA10 (company already has DA10)
F: 1 Citation X & 1 DA10

What is your choice and why?

Without a doubt go with the Falcon 50EX. Trust me on this one.

From what you have put on your wish list nothing can come close to what the 50EX can give you.

That will be $30,000 in consulting fees. PM me for my contact info and I will give you all the payment information. Certified checks only please.

 

[AA717driver]

Certified checks only please.

No, no, no! At this level, you have them wire it to your account in the Isle of Man. (That will impress the crap outta them. ) TC

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Here's the mission:

Required:
1. Good high/hot performance - (ie ABQ in the middle of August, and still have some range)
2. Decent Range - farthest leg would occasionally be no more than 1850 nm
3. APU
4. Lav

Would be nice:
1. Stand-up cabin
2. Plenty of baggage

Ok, so here are the options:

A: 1 Sovereign & either 1 Excel, CJ2, or Bravo/Ultra
B: 2 XLS'
C: 2 800XP's
D: 2 LJ45XR's
E: 1 DA50EX & 1 DA10 (company already has DA10)
F: 1 Citation X & 1 DA10

What is your choice and why?

alright...I think all your choices are kind of lame, but ya gotta go with the DA50EX.

Falcons - they will rarely WOW you, but will rarely let you down.

avoid any psuedo-Israeli-Gulfpuke hybrid :smash:

 

[SpaceBall 1]

I think I responed first...............what about my consulting fees!?!?!?!

As a former IAI product driver.............they are great aircraft. The SPX/G-150 is the Hebrew Hotrod. But at those altitudes, temps and distances you need to go it'll be a pig. 5,830' required at MTOW @ S.L.! They need more push behind the G-150. Didn't think it could get much worse than the Westpig for runway numbers, but I was wrong. Not the first time and won't be the last.

I stand by my pick of choice E!

Unless you can afford the larger variant of Gulfstream!

 

[bman]

Nice to see you touting the company line

Yep, Gulfstream knows how to build 'em. I really like how they made boots silver!

Oooooohhhh Shiny!!!!!!!!

 

[On Your Six]

Easy choice - take the 50EX and run. Nice flight deck, great versatility.

Doesn't the G150 have serious runway restrictions in hot/high conditions? Let us know what you choose.

 

[G100driver]

I'd take a look at a pair of Astra SPXes or G100s.

Have not started flying the new airplane yet, eh?

 

[some_dude]

Why not a pair of late model 50s? Then you'd have fleet commonality, both airplanes could handle your mission (ABQ in the summer in the Falcon 10 is pretty scary, as I recall), and the total cost would be the same or less than some of the other choices you've mentioned.

Or an older 50 and a 900B, if you think you might need the extra room. Still common type ratings.

 

[TXDA2000]

Unless your making a living flying over water, I'm not sure I see the reasoning behind a 50EX over a 2000. Nearly the same to buy, less M&O Cost, not AS good, but good hot and high numbers, twice the cabin, nearly the same fuel burn as the 10.

BUT, I post this as a question more than an observation!

 

[JDE]

Thanks for all the replies.

The two main reasons for the aircraft chosen is 1) the budget, and 2) company perception. The company flies a lot of customers around and they don't want to get an airplane that is "too big", thinking that the customers will see their investments as going towards "big, luxurious airplanes" for the big wigs. Of course we do have a few customers who have nicer airplanes than us, so go figure. Not to mention, they want to do this, and try to lower costs (the reason for option "A"). The company does a lot of less than 1000nm flights, so option A is there for that reason. Take the small & efficient jet on the shorter legs and the big & efficient jet on long, hot/high legs.

How does the Citation X do high/hot?

 

[G21Agoose]

Falcon 50- nuff said. EX or not you will be able to achieve all you mission requirements. PM me if you need more info.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Thanks for all the replies.

The two main reasons for the aircraft chosen is 1) the budget, and 2) company perception. The company flies a lot of customers around and they don't want to get an airplane that is "too big", thinking that the customers will see their investments as going towards "big, luxurious airplanes" for the big wigs. Of course we do have a few customers who have nicer airplanes than us, so go figure. Not to mention, they want to do this, and try to lower costs (the reason for option "A"). The company does a lot of less than 1000nm flights, so option A is there for that reason. Take the small & efficient jet on the shorter legs and the big & efficient jet on long, hot/high legs.

How does the Citation X do high/hot?

ah yeah.... the ole' "we dont buy a big airplane because of perception" thing...."owners rich, dosen't want to FLAUNT it"

so lets buy a used mx hog 20yr old one instead.

heard this before...smells like....



BULL$HIT!

 

[Lead Sled]

Have not started flying the new airplane yet, eh?

The 50 would be a "no brainer" except for the budget thing. All in all, the "Hebrew Hotrod" is a pretty tough combination to beat. Oh by the way, I'm sitting in my Hotel room at DFW - 50 school starts tomorrow.

'Sled

 

[UGAflyer]

The 50 would be a "no brainer" except for the budget thing. All in all, the "Hebrew Hotrod" is a pretty tough combination to beat. Oh by the way, I'm sitting in my Hotel room at DFW - 50 school starts tomorrow.

'Sled

I'm in my hotel room at DFW...but not for 50 school, too bad.

 

[jagmagic]

If you want baggage then do not get 800xps plus we have had some problems with ours. 500 hours total and on the second #2 engine

 

[X man]

hot and high

ah yeah.... the ole' "we dont buy a big airplane because of perception" thing...."owners rich, dosen't want to FLAUNT it"

so lets buy a used mx hog 20yr old one instead.

heard this before...smells like....



BULL$HIT!

The X in hot and high conditions, with its extremely swept wing, was nothing to hang your hat on so to speak. Most jets are like that, but I think if you are operating regularly out of high and hot strips, there would better choices.