PIC Time for upgrade

[jbDC9]

The fact that you cannot provide any other rebuttal to my statements other then "you're an idiot" just solidifies my opinion. Obviously a quality so vague and without explanation cannot be a necessary requisite to be an airline Captain. Or, perhaps I don't get the concept of PIC, I can admit that.

Well now, you call me genius in a mocking tone, I'll call you an idiot for not understanding why actual PIC time might be an important asset for these soon to be upgrading RJ kids. Your last sentence above is why I don't need to provide a rebuttal to your other statements; you just don't get it. Some things can't be spoon fed in a Riddle classroom; you actually have to go out and experience it, from the left seat. Read Leroy's posts above... he gets it.

 

[V-1]

The fact that you cannot provide any other rebuttal to my statements other then "you're an idiot" just solidifies my opinion. Obviously a quality so vague and without explanation cannot be a necessary requisite to be an airline Captain. Or, perhaps I don't get the concept of PIC, I can admit that. But whatever the concept, be it: decision making, leadership or followership etc., it can be taught and applied in a training environment much more effectively and efficiently then in the on-the-job atmosphere of the cockpit of a piston twin.

No disrespect intended, but I guess my approach to an aviation career is/was markedly different than the one I interpret here. Personally, I always thought it was my resonsibility to show up for work with education, training, and a high level of experience already complete. It seems there's a lot of this "here I am, train me" mentality from many new "professional pilots" these days. Perhaps I misunderstand what I'm reading here from you...but this attitude is becoming all too prevalent in the industry.

The philosophy displayed by those who follow this "here I am, train me" attitude is more suited to the french fry machine operator at McDonald's than someone who is, or soon will be, responsible for a multimillion dollar piece of equipment, 50-70 passenger's lives, and displaying an appropriate level of professionalism.

Perhaps I should not have done more than the absolute minimum necessary to qualify myself for this profession. I can think of one Pinnacle crew not too long ago that failed to learn any "decision making, leadership or followership, etc." during their company's training program. They must certainly have skipped class on the day professionalism was on the syllabus.

Someone who makes a statement that decision-making can be taught better in a classroom than through real-world experiences that no classroom can replicate strikes me as someone who has no significant real-world experience...and I feel sorry for that individual because they don't understand just how much they've missed. I've been fortunate to have had the opportunity to accrue nearly four thousand hours of tough, real world, PIC decision making and leadership lessons before entering the airline world - and I've been fortunate to experience training that I understand is as good as it gets at the regional level. While the classroom training has value, there is hands down, no comparison between the value of the two in the development of a truly good professional pilot.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

This guy will never pass an FDX interview....sorry 777....with that philosophy the only job u will get at FDX is the one u have throwing boxes!

 

[J and E's Daddy]

without 250 PIC. you'll have a limitation on your ticket that states "Holder does not meet PIC requirements for ICAO." Which means you can't fly outside the US until you obtain 250 hours PIC. Then you take all your logbooks and fill out an 8710 and go to your nearest FSDO to have the limitation removed. As for the Eagle pilots, it sucks.

 

[J and E's Daddy]

without 250 PIC. you'll have a limitation on your ticket that states "Holder does not meet PIC requirements for ICAO." Which means you can't fly outside the US until you obtain 250 hours PIC. Then you take all your logbooks and fill out an 8710 and go to your nearest FSDO to have the limitation removed. As for the Eagle pilots, it sucks.

 

[777_Jackpot]

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[777_Jackpot]

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There has obviously been some misunderstanding. First and foremost, I will be one of the first to admit that there are numerous "substandard" low time pilots. Substandard in the sense that they do not represent what the rank and file members of their industry would consider a minimum acceptable level of competency. However, it would also be true that there exist a number of substandard, traditionally trained pilots as well. The above statements cannot be argued, every one of us has an example of both. Furthermore, I never claimed that formal flight school training was "better" than the more traditional method. My exact words were "more effectively and efficiently". Put into context, you can train a pilot to the minimum acceptable level of competency mentioned above without thousands of hours of trial-and-error time building training. Now, I beg you...please do not quote my previous sentence without understanding that the minimum acceptable level of competency constitutes what everyone would consider a "good" pilot.

Don't get so defensive towards low time, "PIC"less pilots. Their training is just the result of distilling uneventful flight from thousands of hours more traditionally trained pilots have spent during their aviation careers.. Now, I understand that you can learn something from even uneventful flight, and this is where the "Effective and efficient" part comes in. From the boiled down flight training of past, people have begun to recognize patterns that all good pilots operate by. The schools simply create programs that teach the processes that the most successful pilots have developed in their plethora of "oh sh!t moments". This algorithm for effect pilot "decision making, leadership or followership, etc", although not a replacement for hours and hours of experience, has an exceptional ability to replicate the same results, a pilot with the minimum acceptable level of competency.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

God, I hope your kidding.

Sadly, I don't think he/she was...