PIC on a flight plan

[m31639]

The FAA will call the listed PIC on the flight plan if there is a problem. International trips get really interesting if the PIC is in the crew rest area. Been there,done that..........

 

[Seadogrun]

No. Whoever was listed as PIC of the flight is responsible. Not who has the controls.

So to be safe from a violation, when I file a flight plan I should just file a different PIC and I can't be violated?

Your comment sounds like it lacks logic(which wouldn't be a stretch for the FAA).

 

[stupidpilot]

So to be safe from a violation, when I file a flight plan I should just file a different PIC and I can't be violated?

Your comment sounds like it lacks logic(which wouldn't be a stretch for the FAA).

The PIC of the flight is whoever the company you work for says it is. What is filed on the flight plan makes no difference. Why is this such a difficult concept?

The PIC is responsible for the safe operation of the entire flight, regardless of who is operating the controls. He has the authority to take the controls at any time if he feels an unsafe situation exists or if the other person is about to commit a violation. The FAA has been known to go after everyone in the cockpit.

 

[Seadogrun]

The PIC of the flight is whoever the company you work for says it is. What is filed on the flight plan makes no difference. Why is this such a difficult concept?

The PIC is responsible for the safe operation of the entire flight, regardless of who is operating the controls. He has the authority to take the controls at any time if he feels an unsafe situation exists or if the other person is about to commit a violation. The FAA has been known to go after everyone in the cockpit.

I may have mis-read your previous comment. When you said "listed" I assumed that you meant on the flight plan. My mistake.

 

[stupidpilot]

No prob. Fly safe brother.

 

[RedGuy]

There's a really simple solution to this. Don't file your flight plans so far in advance.

 

[gulfstream2345]

Just cancel your flight plan that you have filed. Easy enough. However, if the company or the other pilot decide to use your flight plan with your name on it I would review USC Title 18 sec. 1001.

For those that don't know what that is......"Any person who makes a false statement, verbally or in writing, to any Federal official is subject to 5 years in jail or a $25,000 fine or both". That should answer the question.

 

[bizjet800]

Just cancel your flight plan that you have filed. Easy enough. However, if the company or the other pilot decide to use your flight plan with your name on it I would review USC Title 18 sec. 1001.

For those that don't know what that is......"Any person who makes a false statement, verbally or in writing, to any Federal official is subject to 5 years in jail or a $25,000 fine or both". That should answer the question.

I think this is the same warning that is on my mattress, and, oh yeah, the one that appears before I watch a movie!

 

[AC560]

The PIC of the flight is whoever the company you work for says it is. What is filed on the flight plan makes no difference. Why is this such a difficult concept?

Actually it matters according to 91.153(a)(3).

 

[stupidpilot]

Actually it matters according to 91.153(a)(3).

Not if you are operating part 135.

 

[AC560]

Not if you are operating part 135.

My knowledge of 121/135 reg's isn't the best so could you be so kind to point me to the section of 135 which details the different requirements in filing a flight plan.

 

[stupidpilot]

If you are operating part 135 then your company's opspecs outline who has operational control to dispatch a flight. Therefore whoever dispatched the flight assigned the PIC. Regardless of what the flight plan says the PIC assigned by the company is the ONLY one with the final authority and command over the aircraft.

 

[AC560]

Regardless of what the flight plan says the PIC assigned by the company is the ONLY one with the final authority and command over the aircraft.

Under 135.109 that is my understanding of a requirement. I don't think though that alleviates the need for that designated person to match the PIC on the flight plan. When the flight plan is filed who is designated needs to also be on that flight plan. What am I missing?

 

[stupidpilot]

You are right that it should. But if the designated PIC did not ensure that he was the name on the flight plan it would probably result in another slap on the wrist or an additional fine. But if something happens, and the flight plan was filed incorrectly, the FAA doesn't care whose name is on the flt plan. They care about who was assigned by the company as the PIC. He is the one who has the authority for the safe conduct of the flight.

 

[AC560]

They care about who was assigned by the company as the PIC. He is the one who has the authority for the safe conduct of the flight.

That I don't disagree with.