PFT me. I need 25,000

[jetdawg]

we may be bashing the hell out of gulfstream, yes some, most, or all are PFT's. I have also flown with gulfstram pilots not bad pilots for $25,000.

Now here is something that I thought was interesting. My last trip one of our passengers left Flying Magazine. Not much of a mag but there was a ad in the back saying New FLA airline starting No Experience Necc. Now how would you love to be a passenger on that airline. Now I am sure their CPTS are experienced (heaven hopes) but not FO's

"Would you like that supersized? Hell, today I will give you that for free because tommorow I will be a airline pilot and by the way could I borrow 30,000?"

 

[The_Russian]

Crazy regionals!!!

My buddy works for great lakes and he told me 2 guys in his class had less than 500 hours. Kinda crazy huh? One of the guys had 350 and 100. Kind of like before 9-11. It looks like its getting good again. Maybe too good.

PRAY TO YOUR MAKERS!!!!

 

[labbats]

Then why the hell won't they take resumes from me?

 

[Q200_FO]

One of the guys had 350 and 100

Ok, let's be realistic here. It takes at least 190 hrs (Part 141) to get a Commercial....

 

[pilotyip]

New 135 minimums

The on-demand business has a new category, called eligible on-demand, to be a SIC in a turbine airplane you must have 500 hrs. May 121 will make the same changes in the future

 

[labbats]

I've been duped by a communist and his propaganda lies!

 

[bobbysamd]

TAB Express (and cola)

My last trip one of our passengers left Flying Magazine. Not much of a mag but there was a ad in the back saying New FLA airline starting No Experience Necc.

Per chance, could it be TAB Express?

Thank you for your interest in TAB Express Airline. We are an on-demand charter airline based in Daytona Beach, Florida servicing cities throughout Florida and the Bahamas. Although we are not a flight school, we do train and hire our own crews. No previous flight experience is required . . . . .

(emphasis added)

I agree that Flying isn't much of a magazine anymore. It has become a shill for its advertisers. Every so often, it will run articles on the flight schools it advertises. So much for independent, objective journalism.

 

[bobbysamd]

Refused resumes

Then why the hell won't they take resumes from me?

Because, with your times, you are overqualified!

 

[vossdr1]

PFT funding-Kidneys

I heard that a healthy kidney goes for about $25,000. You've got two. It might be hard to get your medical but, as Mark Twain wrote, "You pays your money and you takes your chances."

 

[TopGun-MAV]

you don't need to pft. Its bad news. I'm in sim training now for the beech1900 and i'm afraid i won't make it through training. My 5th sim session and i still can't master the v1 cut, let alone keep the plane flying. i have a checkride tomorrow and they won't give me urther training. If you pay be prepared to be cut in traininf just like anyone else. don't do it.
any pointers for v1 cuts in the 1900 is appreciated. please help me.

 

[bobbysamd]

P-F-T

you don't need to pft. Its bad news. I'm in sim training now for the beech1900 and i'm afraid i won't make it through training. My 5th sim session and i still can't master the v1 cut, let alone keep the plane flying. i have a checkride tomorrow and they won't give me [f]urther training.

Ah, hah!! This is proof positive of what I've been saying all along, that once the P-F-T companies get your money they do not have your best interests at heart and they are out to wash-out people to maximimze their P-F-T profits.

If you pay be prepared to be cut in trainin[g] just like anyone else. don't do it.

Quite a far cry from this individual's post of February 27, 2004:

Originally posted by TopGun-MAV
the way i see it, you have to invest in your future. i'm going through training in a beech1900 right now for an airline and i only have 360 hours. getting right into the 121 environment is the best way to do it. i know its not cheap but going to law school isn't cheap either. very few places are hiring right now, and i believe in a few years when i have some left seat time i will have a good shot at jet blue.

i feel the need... the need for speed!!!

Flamebait? Or does this individual finally see the light. I feel bad for him, to a point, because he is being taken.

I would suggest you have a lawyer review your P-F-T contract. Maybe you can get some of your money back. Use any refund to get your CFI so you can get experience. With that experience, perhaps one day you can work your way into Part 25 aircraft the right way and with the right people, and you will be give a proper and fair chance to learn V1 cuts. Or, use it for a down payment on law school. You'll be better off.

Finally, in the unfortunate event that they do wash you out, find out if your failure will create a PRIA event.

PS-(Sixth note to self: Do not answer flamebait.)

 

[pilotyip]

flight time not the measure

Flt time has nothing to do with the ability the handle the V1 cut in the 1900, it is the training background and the qualifications of the individual. Someone who had been through a military screening and training program would little trouble with the V1 cuts at 250 hours. However for that reason, PFT is probably not such a good idea for low time pilots coming from a typical civilian training program. But PFT still has a place for an experienced pilot to get additional MEL turbine hours to dressup their resume. Many have been successful following this approach. It has a place and it is not up to this board to judge how a person goes about pursuing thier career. It is not about fairness, life is unfair, get over it.

 

[bobbysamd]

Show me the money

PFT still has a place for an experienced pilot to get additional MEL turbine hours to dressup their resume. Many have been successful following this approach. It has a place and it is not up to this board to judge how a person goes about pursuing thier career. It is not about fairness, life is unfair, get over it.

The checkbook rules!

 

[Timebuilder]

It has a place and it is not up to this board to judge how a person goes about pursuing thier career. It is not about fairness, life is unfair, get over it.

If you believe this is a justification for PFT, then you must now begin working to eliminate Unions. After all, life is not fair, right?

Not only do the pilots of this board have a right to judge, but so do all pilots. And trust me, they do.

I don't think I could live with myself having purchased a job.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

you don't need to pft. Its bad news. I'm in sim training now for the beech1900 and i'm afraid i won't make it through training. My 5th sim session and i still can't master the v1 cut, let alone keep the plane flying. i have a checkride tomorrow and they won't give me urther training. If you pay be prepared to be cut in traininf just like anyone else. don't do it.
any pointers for v1 cuts in the 1900 is appreciated. please help me.

Good luck man - unfortuantely the truth hurts. PM me if you want some info about a 121 position.......Let us know how the ride goes.

 

[bobbysamd]

Getting a job the old-fashioned way . .

I don't think I could live with myself having purchased a job.

I certainly could not have, which is why I refused.

 

[labbats]

you don't need to pft. Its bad news. I'm in sim training now for the beech1900 and i'm afraid i won't make it through training. My 5th sim session and i still can't master the v1 cut, let alone keep the plane flying. i have a checkride tomorrow and they won't give me urther training. If you pay be prepared to be cut in traininf just like anyone else. don't do it.
any pointers for v1 cuts in the 1900 is appreciated. please help me.

Hi. This guy has 7 posts and is a troll. Why does everyone keep falling for this type of stuff? I already fell for something IN THIS THREAD.
We pilots are a gullible bunch.

 

[bobbysamd]

Flamebait

Hi. This guy has 7 posts and is a troll. Why does everyone keep falling for this type of stuff? I already fell for something IN THIS THREAD.
We pilots are a gullible bunch.

You're right. See my edited post above.

 

[The_Russian]

Holy poop.....

Originally posted by pilotyip:

But PFT still has a place for an experienced pilot to get additional MEL turbine hours to dressup their resume. Many have been successful following this approach.

10 people in my class of 20 at GIA have over 1000 hours including myself. We are doing the same.


It has a place and it is not up to this board to judge how a person goes about pursuing thier career. It is not about fairness, life is unfair, get over it.

Absolutely right. Some members on this forum, whether they are senior or junior, should take that advice.

Well said pilotyip.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Topgun,

how was the check ride?

 

[Dude]

To PFT or not to PFT....

I guess it could be argued either way, whether or not to PFT. Personally, I detest the practice and do not spare an individual from my opinion if asked regarding such things. Point is, work your a$$ off like everyone else and have some honest equity in your career.

I have flown with many that PFT'd their way to the right seat during good times and did a fine job, but that doesn't excuse PFT. Unfortunately, when you pay someone to work for them or just for the training you are setting an irreversible standard. Why should a company pay you or pay for the training when there are so many that are willing to do it for them?

There's no substitute for flying single-pilot IMC, in broken equip., in conditions you aren't comfortable with, long duty days (16+ hrs), saying no means your job, trying to cash a cancelled payroll check, having a payroll check bounce, flying an airplane that Orville wouldn't get into, being "laid off" because some low-time schmuck will do your job for less, and etc. Experience is the key. Without it, you have no credibility and are a hazard to other QUALIFIED pilots that earned their position through blood, sweat, and tears. Nothing is free, especially a career in aviation.

Make your choices wisely and have some integrity for the love of John. Work hard and the career will be all the sweeter. There's nothing more annoying than a 500hr pilot sitting in the crew lounge bitching when he is flying an RJ that he shouldn't even be in for another 2-3 years, if he had done it right.

I know it's quicker to PFT, but it's also easier to steal......doesn't make it right. Just my 2 cents.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Re: To PFT or not to PFT....

I guess it could be argued either way, whether or not to PFT. Personally, I detest the practice and do not spare an individual from my opinion if asked regarding such things. Point is, work your a$$ off like everyone else and have some honest equity in your career.

I have flown with many that PFT'd their way to the right seat during good times and did a fine job, but that doesn't excuse PFT. Unfortunately, when you pay someone to work for them or just for the training you are setting an irreversible standard. Why should a company pay you or pay for the training when there are so many that are willing to do it for them?

There's no substitute for flying single-pilot IMC, in broken equip., in conditions you aren't comfortable with, long duty days (16+ hrs), saying no means your job, trying to cash a cancelled payroll check, having a payroll check bounce, flying an airplane that Orville wouldn't get into, being "laid off" because some low-time schmuck will do your job for less, and etc. Experience is the key. Without it, you have no credibility and are a hazard to other QUALIFIED pilots that earned their position through blood, sweat, and tears. Nothing is free, especially a career in aviation.

Make your choices wisely and have some integrity for the love of John. Work hard and the career will be all the sweeter. There's nothing more annoying than a 500hr pilot sitting in the crew lounge bitching when he is flying an RJ that he shouldn't even be in for another 2-3 years, if he had done it right.

I know it's quicker to PFT, but it's also easier to steal......doesn't make it right. Just my 2 cents.

AGREED! And if you PFT you might be in Topguns shoes.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

The "new airline" is TabExpress airline. It is run by a flight school in Deland Florida. I have seen ads stating Airline Pilots were wanted, no experience required, only 7-10 months to devote to training. What a scam.

I think you pay around $60K for your ratings and then they pay you back after you have served three years as an FO.

Right now they have 1-2 1900s and they are always in the avionics shop at my airport.

 

[TopGun-MAV]

TAB EXPRESS airline is not what the ads make it out to be. the training is top notch and it's not paying for a job. if you don't meet the standards they will cut wou. i'm a qualified first officer for tab.

GO THE MAV!!!

 

[wheelsup]

The last figure I saw from TAB was approximately $95,000. Yeah. 95 big ones. Jesus. You're not buying a job, you're buying about 3 jobs. This is ab-initio from zero time to 500 hrs or so TT (not including unloggable sim time).

The "airline" they are starting has been pushed back from starting up last september/october to end of april (latest news). It just keeps getting pushed back. For the next 3 months, if you are 'accepted' into the program, you get reimbursed 3 years later your full training costs...however you cannot fail any of your 6 month currency rechecks etc. etc. I just can't believe that if TAB is facing reimbursing someone $100,000 they won't fail you in your last 1 or 2 checkrides...I wouldn't trust it!!

Not only that, but you have to 'buy' 250 hrs of SIC time before you can get on with the 'airline' full-time, once you complete that, it will lead to about 50 hrs of flying a month at $25.00/hr. Yippee! You couldn't even pay the loan payment on $95,000 to hold out for your 3 years! That's about $1050/month after tax net!

You are in fact buying a job. The only reason you went to TAB is because of that airline deal...if not you're a FOOL!!!! TAB places 'graduates' with Colgan if you foot the $18,000 training tab (hehe), but so does the Regional Airline Academy down the street (also at Deland) and at almost half the cost. By paying for your initial SIC time you're taking a seat that should be filled by a paid f/o. And don't say that you're getting paid to be in that seat! You might, but at a reduced amount ($8.00/hr I think for the SIC training part of it). Not only that, you have to pay out the $25,000 to TAB to train you to fly the thing.

All this and it's being run by the same people that brought you ATA! If you're unfamliar...do the research. I've always lived under the notion that if it sounds too good to be true - it probably is!

~wheelsup

 

[bobbysamd]

(Seventh note to self: Do not answer flamebait)

TAB EXPRESS airline is not what the ads make it out to be. the training is top notch and it's not paying for a job.if you don't meet the standards they will cut wou. i'm a qualified first officer for tab.

GO THE MAV!!!

(Emphasis added)

Shouldn't that word be "you?" So, you got past those V1 cuts? Been sipping from that
TAB can again? How's your little friend, TABExpressF/O?

Paying the TAB is P-F-T in every way. Perhaps now is the time to try some Ipecac syrup. You need an antidote to that TAB cola!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Hey Mav,

didn't you read about one of your brothers, from TAB, who failed GLA (I think) because he couldn't master V1 cuts? What kind of "quality" training did he receive? I know guys who sailed right through training transitioning from 172s!
-TAB is like playing with FIRE , its been proven.

 

[DHPFLYN]

Sorry guys Colgan is no longer PFT

 

[B190Captain]

Yep, Colgan is no longer PFT. They came down to GIA and hired 20 "program" FO's.

 

[gottafly]

Yep, Colgan is no longer PFT. They came down to GIA and hired 20 "program" FO's.

When did Colgan do that? Within the past 2 weeks?